Former colleague and friend of my manager with potential job offer

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TL;DR: A former manager at my current company, who is also a friend of my direct manager, may have a job offer for me. I'm not sure how should I interpret this and how to proceed.

So I am a software developer who's been working at current company for between 6-12 months. I have a few years of experience.

Jolly.Joy, a former manager at my current company (not my direct report but oversaw some functions in the same department) who is also a friend with my direct manager, met me in a social event and said, "if you want a job change, let me know".

I am fairly confident Jolly's new company would be a great company to work for, because according to Jolly their company allows them to make changes happen, unlike my current company. I am also fairly confident this was not a "let me test your men's loyalty for you" kind of drama.

Now, climbing the corporate ladder in my current company is not something I'm interested in at all, nor am I particularly happy with my current job, so I surely wouldn't mind a change. But there are some considerations:

Me and Jolly never had a chance to work together. There might be something I don't know, but I doubt Jolly knows how good or bad I am. So I'm not sure how to interpret "if you want a job change, let me know"?

There is of course no guarantee of a job offer.

If I make the move, I intend to negotiate a large bump as I am underpaid because I didn't do my average salary research. I am slightly worried if Jolly is going to know my current salary from my manager.

Extending the previous point, I am slightly worried if Jolly lets my manager know that I am looking.

Jolly has not been with their new company for long. What if Jolly is just having the new toy freshness? Note that Jolly worked for my company for a looooong time. Maybe I should wait a bit longer to see if Jolly changes mind about their new company?

Note that for #3 and #4, I'm not that worried about Jolly tipping off my manager, they are just things I cannot completely ignore.

My goal is to find a new job in near future that is more exciting and pays more. I believe my best course of action is to keep contact with Jolly and wait a bit longer and see if Jolly is still loving the new company. Then I'll approach for what's available. If nothing comes through I can still look for new jobs in other ways.

Have you been in similar situation? What did you do and what came out of it?

Edit: Welp I knew getting downvoted is part of the life on SE so downvote to your heart's content...but it would be helpful to let me know why. Thank you :)

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If you are confident that Jolly company is good why do you want to wait for him to change his mind? Do all our confidence comes from Jolly?
– SZCZERZO KŁY
2 days ago

@SZCZERZOKŁY Pretty much due to my concerns. And it's this time of year I'm not feeling like having a change right now. It's not like my current environment is "RUN AWAY!" bad or anything so I can wait. The confidence is from Jolly, inferred by their reaction when we talk about the new company.
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

downvoted. your question is really long winded. I know you enjoyed reading it, but this isn't the place for prose. I don't know what a "gen y monkey aye" is, but the tone of the phrase is jarring. Finally, no idea what you're asking. There are 5 considerations, and two open ended questions - this isn't a discussion forum, so this isn't the place for that type of question.
– bharal
2 days ago

@bharal TL;DR added, along with a clearer question I hope. "Gen Y" is a self-mockery because (I could be wrong) it appears to me older people tend not to like young people like me who don't want to spend as many days in the trenches as they used to. "Monkey" obviously refers to being a programmer. Next person downvoting is probably going to say "what you want to work on exciting stuff and get paid more? such sense of entitlement!" Anyway, thanks for the feedback :)
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

@Billy.Bob don't refer to your career as "monkey work". If you don't value it, pick a career you do value and respect. There's some harm in disrespecting a career, there's much more in actually doing that career yourself. I've found the people who work on the exciting stuff do get paid more - but that's because working on the new requires an attitude of constant learning, which most people lose pretty quickly. If you want to work on the new, better things, then improve your skills - in IT this requires a lot of memorisation work.
– bharal
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TL;DR: A former manager at my current company, who is also a friend of my direct manager, may have a job offer for me. I'm not sure how should I interpret this and how to proceed.

So I am a software developer who's been working at current company for between 6-12 months. I have a few years of experience.

Me and Jolly never had a chance to work together. There might be something I don't know, but I doubt Jolly knows how good or bad I am. So I'm not sure how to interpret "if you want a job change, let me know"?

There is of course no guarantee of a job offer.

If I make the move, I intend to negotiate a large bump as I am underpaid because I didn't do my average salary research. I am slightly worried if Jolly is going to know my current salary from my manager.

Extending the previous point, I am slightly worried if Jolly lets my manager know that I am looking.

Jolly has not been with their new company for long. What if Jolly is just having the new toy freshness? Note that Jolly worked for my company for a looooong time. Maybe I should wait a bit longer to see if Jolly changes mind about their new company?

Note that for #3 and #4, I'm not that worried about Jolly tipping off my manager, they are just things I cannot completely ignore.

Have you been in similar situation? What did you do and what came out of it?

Edit: Welp I knew getting downvoted is part of the life on SE so downvote to your heart's content...but it would be helpful to let me know why. Thank you :)

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asked 2 days ago

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If you are confident that Jolly company is good why do you want to wait for him to change his mind? Do all our confidence comes from Jolly?
– SZCZERZO KŁY
2 days ago

@SZCZERZOKŁY Pretty much due to my concerns. And it's this time of year I'm not feeling like having a change right now. It's not like my current environment is "RUN AWAY!" bad or anything so I can wait. The confidence is from Jolly, inferred by their reaction when we talk about the new company.
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

downvoted. your question is really long winded. I know you enjoyed reading it, but this isn't the place for prose. I don't know what a "gen y monkey aye" is, but the tone of the phrase is jarring. Finally, no idea what you're asking. There are 5 considerations, and two open ended questions - this isn't a discussion forum, so this isn't the place for that type of question.
– bharal
2 days ago

@bharal TL;DR added, along with a clearer question I hope. "Gen Y" is a self-mockery because (I could be wrong) it appears to me older people tend not to like young people like me who don't want to spend as many days in the trenches as they used to. "Monkey" obviously refers to being a programmer. Next person downvoting is probably going to say "what you want to work on exciting stuff and get paid more? such sense of entitlement!" Anyway, thanks for the feedback :)
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

@Billy.Bob don't refer to your career as "monkey work". If you don't value it, pick a career you do value and respect. There's some harm in disrespecting a career, there's much more in actually doing that career yourself. I've found the people who work on the exciting stuff do get paid more - but that's because working on the new requires an attitude of constant learning, which most people lose pretty quickly. If you want to work on the new, better things, then improve your skills - in IT this requires a lot of memorisation work.
– bharal
2 days ago

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TL;DR: A former manager at my current company, who is also a friend of my direct manager, may have a job offer for me. I'm not sure how should I interpret this and how to proceed.

So I am a software developer who's been working at current company for between 6-12 months. I have a few years of experience.

Me and Jolly never had a chance to work together. There might be something I don't know, but I doubt Jolly knows how good or bad I am. So I'm not sure how to interpret "if you want a job change, let me know"?

There is of course no guarantee of a job offer.

If I make the move, I intend to negotiate a large bump as I am underpaid because I didn't do my average salary research. I am slightly worried if Jolly is going to know my current salary from my manager.

Extending the previous point, I am slightly worried if Jolly lets my manager know that I am looking.

Jolly has not been with their new company for long. What if Jolly is just having the new toy freshness? Note that Jolly worked for my company for a looooong time. Maybe I should wait a bit longer to see if Jolly changes mind about their new company?

Note that for #3 and #4, I'm not that worried about Jolly tipping off my manager, they are just things I cannot completely ignore.

Have you been in similar situation? What did you do and what came out of it?

Edit: Welp I knew getting downvoted is part of the life on SE so downvote to your heart's content...but it would be helpful to let me know why. Thank you :)

edited 2 days ago

asked 2 days ago

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TL;DR: A former manager at my current company, who is also a friend of my direct manager, may have a job offer for me. I'm not sure how should I interpret this and how to proceed.

So I am a software developer who's been working at current company for between 6-12 months. I have a few years of experience.

Me and Jolly never had a chance to work together. There might be something I don't know, but I doubt Jolly knows how good or bad I am. So I'm not sure how to interpret "if you want a job change, let me know"?

There is of course no guarantee of a job offer.

If I make the move, I intend to negotiate a large bump as I am underpaid because I didn't do my average salary research. I am slightly worried if Jolly is going to know my current salary from my manager.

Extending the previous point, I am slightly worried if Jolly lets my manager know that I am looking.

Jolly has not been with their new company for long. What if Jolly is just having the new toy freshness? Note that Jolly worked for my company for a looooong time. Maybe I should wait a bit longer to see if Jolly changes mind about their new company?

Note that for #3 and #4, I'm not that worried about Jolly tipping off my manager, they are just things I cannot completely ignore.

Have you been in similar situation? What did you do and what came out of it?

Edit: Welp I knew getting downvoted is part of the life on SE so downvote to your heart's content...but it would be helpful to let me know why. Thank you :)

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If you are confident that Jolly company is good why do you want to wait for him to change his mind? Do all our confidence comes from Jolly?
– SZCZERZO KŁY
2 days ago

@SZCZERZOKŁY Pretty much due to my concerns. And it's this time of year I'm not feeling like having a change right now. It's not like my current environment is "RUN AWAY!" bad or anything so I can wait. The confidence is from Jolly, inferred by their reaction when we talk about the new company.
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

downvoted. your question is really long winded. I know you enjoyed reading it, but this isn't the place for prose. I don't know what a "gen y monkey aye" is, but the tone of the phrase is jarring. Finally, no idea what you're asking. There are 5 considerations, and two open ended questions - this isn't a discussion forum, so this isn't the place for that type of question.
– bharal
2 days ago

@bharal TL;DR added, along with a clearer question I hope. "Gen Y" is a self-mockery because (I could be wrong) it appears to me older people tend not to like young people like me who don't want to spend as many days in the trenches as they used to. "Monkey" obviously refers to being a programmer. Next person downvoting is probably going to say "what you want to work on exciting stuff and get paid more? such sense of entitlement!" Anyway, thanks for the feedback :)
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

@Billy.Bob don't refer to your career as "monkey work". If you don't value it, pick a career you do value and respect. There's some harm in disrespecting a career, there's much more in actually doing that career yourself. I've found the people who work on the exciting stuff do get paid more - but that's because working on the new requires an attitude of constant learning, which most people lose pretty quickly. If you want to work on the new, better things, then improve your skills - in IT this requires a lot of memorisation work.
– bharal
2 days ago

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If you are confident that Jolly company is good why do you want to wait for him to change his mind? Do all our confidence comes from Jolly?
– SZCZERZO KŁY
2 days ago

@SZCZERZOKŁY Pretty much due to my concerns. And it's this time of year I'm not feeling like having a change right now. It's not like my current environment is "RUN AWAY!" bad or anything so I can wait. The confidence is from Jolly, inferred by their reaction when we talk about the new company.
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

downvoted. your question is really long winded. I know you enjoyed reading it, but this isn't the place for prose. I don't know what a "gen y monkey aye" is, but the tone of the phrase is jarring. Finally, no idea what you're asking. There are 5 considerations, and two open ended questions - this isn't a discussion forum, so this isn't the place for that type of question.
– bharal
2 days ago

@bharal TL;DR added, along with a clearer question I hope. "Gen Y" is a self-mockery because (I could be wrong) it appears to me older people tend not to like young people like me who don't want to spend as many days in the trenches as they used to. "Monkey" obviously refers to being a programmer. Next person downvoting is probably going to say "what you want to work on exciting stuff and get paid more? such sense of entitlement!" Anyway, thanks for the feedback :)
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

@Billy.Bob don't refer to your career as "monkey work". If you don't value it, pick a career you do value and respect. There's some harm in disrespecting a career, there's much more in actually doing that career yourself. I've found the people who work on the exciting stuff do get paid more - but that's because working on the new requires an attitude of constant learning, which most people lose pretty quickly. If you want to work on the new, better things, then improve your skills - in IT this requires a lot of memorisation work.
– bharal
2 days ago

If you are confident that Jolly company is good why do you want to wait for him to change his mind? Do all our confidence comes from Jolly?
– SZCZERZO KŁY
2 days ago

@SZCZERZOKŁY Pretty much due to my concerns. And it's this time of year I'm not feeling like having a change right now. It's not like my current environment is "RUN AWAY!" bad or anything so I can wait. The confidence is from Jolly, inferred by their reaction when we talk about the new company.
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

downvoted. your question is really long winded. I know you enjoyed reading it, but this isn't the place for prose. I don't know what a "gen y monkey aye" is, but the tone of the phrase is jarring. Finally, no idea what you're asking. There are 5 considerations, and two open ended questions - this isn't a discussion forum, so this isn't the place for that type of question.
– bharal
2 days ago

@bharal TL;DR added, along with a clearer question I hope. "Gen Y" is a self-mockery because (I could be wrong) it appears to me older people tend not to like young people like me who don't want to spend as many days in the trenches as they used to. "Monkey" obviously refers to being a programmer. Next person downvoting is probably going to say "what you want to work on exciting stuff and get paid more? such sense of entitlement!" Anyway, thanks for the feedback :)
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

@Billy.Bob don't refer to your career as "monkey work". If you don't value it, pick a career you do value and respect. There's some harm in disrespecting a career, there's much more in actually doing that career yourself. I've found the people who work on the exciting stuff do get paid more - but that's because working on the new requires an attitude of constant learning, which most people lose pretty quickly. If you want to work on the new, better things, then improve your skills - in IT this requires a lot of memorisation work.
– bharal
2 days ago

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First things first, why do you even care about manager knowing about you looking for job? In my country, people get multiple job offers and show them to managers at appraisal times to get good reviews. i.e. If they didn't get the expected review, they will switch companies(Yeah. A pure blackmail)

If its not Jolly's company, then somewhere else. As you mentioned in #2, you are not committing anything to Jolly as he is not offering any jobs. So even Jolly changes his mind, it is not going to affect you anyway.

And finally, when you go looking for jobs, explore the company culture, growth, vision and also employees at your grade. Never go after a single person. Get an average of all the desired factors and decide it.

All the best :)

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Ms.Tamil

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Thanks :) Well I wouldn't care if I can bring multiple offers to the table without much difficulty. I'm not at that stage yet...while my current manager is nice, I would still avoid letting them know that I'm looking, which could cause me a raise if I stay until the next review.
– Billy.Bob
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IMHO,
If you content at your current position, why would you even bother
But if not, you SHOULD check this opportunity out in case you get a better deal.

Send her an email, beginning with "following your offer during ........ what opportunity you may have for me?"

She will ever answer with proposal -
This will let you make a decision to pursue this or not when you have more concrete information of what to expect.

Or not, may say something "i was just talking" or something,
then you would not doubt yourself for not acting on the potential opportunity

answered 2 days ago

Strader

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I am OK with my current position for now but by no means content. I would have made further contact if Jolly wasn't a friend of my current manager and that's why I'm trying to be cautious.
– Billy.Bob
yesterday

This is why your email can be casual, without resume, actual salary expectation etc. Just a followup
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All the best :)

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Thanks :) Well I wouldn't care if I can bring multiple offers to the table without much difficulty. I'm not at that stage yet...while my current manager is nice, I would still avoid letting them know that I'm looking, which could cause me a raise if I stay until the next review.
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Thanks :) Well I wouldn't care if I can bring multiple offers to the table without much difficulty. I'm not at that stage yet...while my current manager is nice, I would still avoid letting them know that I'm looking, which could cause me a raise if I stay until the next review.
– Billy.Bob
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All the best :)

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All the best :)

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answered 2 days ago

Ms.Tamil

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Thanks :) Well I wouldn't care if I can bring multiple offers to the table without much difficulty. I'm not at that stage yet...while my current manager is nice, I would still avoid letting them know that I'm looking, which could cause me a raise if I stay until the next review.
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

add a comment |

Thanks :) Well I wouldn't care if I can bring multiple offers to the table without much difficulty. I'm not at that stage yet...while my current manager is nice, I would still avoid letting them know that I'm looking, which could cause me a raise if I stay until the next review.
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

Thanks :) Well I wouldn't care if I can bring multiple offers to the table without much difficulty. I'm not at that stage yet...while my current manager is nice, I would still avoid letting them know that I'm looking, which could cause me a raise if I stay until the next review.
– Billy.Bob
2 days ago

add a comment |

up vote
0
down vote

IMHO,
If you content at your current position, why would you even bother
But if not, you SHOULD check this opportunity out in case you get a better deal.

Send her an email, beginning with "following your offer during ........ what opportunity you may have for me?"

She will ever answer with proposal -
This will let you make a decision to pursue this or not when you have more concrete information of what to expect.

Or not, may say something "i was just talking" or something,
then you would not doubt yourself for not acting on the potential opportunity

answered 2 days ago

Strader

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I am OK with my current position for now but by no means content. I would have made further contact if Jolly wasn't a friend of my current manager and that's why I'm trying to be cautious.
– Billy.Bob
yesterday

This is why your email can be casual, without resume, actual salary expectation etc. Just a followup
– Strader
yesterday

add a comment |

up vote
0
down vote

IMHO,
If you content at your current position, why would you even bother
But if not, you SHOULD check this opportunity out in case you get a better deal.

Send her an email, beginning with "following your offer during ........ what opportunity you may have for me?"

She will ever answer with proposal -
This will let you make a decision to pursue this or not when you have more concrete information of what to expect.

Or not, may say something "i was just talking" or something,
then you would not doubt yourself for not acting on the potential opportunity

answered 2 days ago

Strader

3,021525

I am OK with my current position for now but by no means content. I would have made further contact if Jolly wasn't a friend of my current manager and that's why I'm trying to be cautious.
– Billy.Bob
yesterday

This is why your email can be casual, without resume, actual salary expectation etc. Just a followup
– Strader
yesterday

add a comment |

up vote
0
down vote

IMHO,
If you content at your current position, why would you even bother
But if not, you SHOULD check this opportunity out in case you get a better deal.

Send her an email, beginning with "following your offer during ........ what opportunity you may have for me?"

She will ever answer with proposal -
This will let you make a decision to pursue this or not when you have more concrete information of what to expect.

Or not, may say something "i was just talking" or something,
then you would not doubt yourself for not acting on the potential opportunity

answered 2 days ago

Strader

3,021525

IMHO,
If you content at your current position, why would you even bother
But if not, you SHOULD check this opportunity out in case you get a better deal.

Send her an email, beginning with "following your offer during ........ what opportunity you may have for me?"

She will ever answer with proposal -
This will let you make a decision to pursue this or not when you have more concrete information of what to expect.

Or not, may say something "i was just talking" or something,
then you would not doubt yourself for not acting on the potential opportunity

answered 2 days ago

Strader

3,021525

answered 2 days ago

Strader

3,021525

answered 2 days ago

Strader

3,021525

answered 2 days ago

Strader

3,021525

I am OK with my current position for now but by no means content. I would have made further contact if Jolly wasn't a friend of my current manager and that's why I'm trying to be cautious.
– Billy.Bob
yesterday

This is why your email can be casual, without resume, actual salary expectation etc. Just a followup
– Strader
yesterday

add a comment |

I am OK with my current position for now but by no means content. I would have made further contact if Jolly wasn't a friend of my current manager and that's why I'm trying to be cautious.
– Billy.Bob
yesterday

This is why your email can be casual, without resume, actual salary expectation etc. Just a followup
– Strader
yesterday

I am OK with my current position for now but by no means content. I would have made further contact if Jolly wasn't a friend of my current manager and that's why I'm trying to be cautious.
– Billy.Bob
yesterday

This is why your email can be casual, without resume, actual salary expectation etc. Just a followup
– Strader
yesterday

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