Conditional Probability of a Uniform Random Subset.











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Let X = $({1,2,3,..,10})$ Let $Y$ be a uniformly random subset of $X$. Define the events:



A = “$Y$ contains at least $4$ elements",



B = “all elements of $Y$ are even".



What is $Pr(A|B)$?




Answer: 0.1875



Attempt:



I know that P(A $bigcap$ B) / P(B) is what I have to ultimately find.



For $P(B)$ = $frac{5}{10}$ = $frac{1}{2}$



For P(A) => Must have exactly 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 elements



So, I used the binomial for this by doing:



P(A) =
$10choose4$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^4$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^6$ +



$10choose5$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^5$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^5$ +



$10choose6$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^6$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^4$ +



$10choose7$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^7$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^3$ +



$10choose8$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^8$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^2$ +



$10choose9$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^9$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^1$ +



$10choose10$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^{10}$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^0$ +



= $0.012795$



P(A $bigcap$B) = $frac{1}{2}*0.012795$



Pr(A|B) = $frac{frac{1}{2}*0.012795}{2}$



Pr(A|B) = $0.012795$



Where did I go wrong with this approach? I find finding P(A) very time consuming, I feel like there has to be a much more simpler approach.










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    Your set contains $100$ elements but you are working with $10$. Is there a typo?
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Let X = $({1,2,3,..,10})$ Let $Y$ be a uniformly random subset of $X$. Define the events:



A = “$Y$ contains at least $4$ elements",



B = “all elements of $Y$ are even".



What is $Pr(A|B)$?




Answer: 0.1875



Attempt:



I know that P(A $bigcap$ B) / P(B) is what I have to ultimately find.



For $P(B)$ = $frac{5}{10}$ = $frac{1}{2}$



For P(A) => Must have exactly 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 elements



So, I used the binomial for this by doing:



P(A) =
$10choose4$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^4$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^6$ +



$10choose5$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^5$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^5$ +



$10choose6$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^6$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^4$ +



$10choose7$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^7$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^3$ +



$10choose8$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^8$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^2$ +



$10choose9$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^9$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^1$ +



$10choose10$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^{10}$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^0$ +



= $0.012795$



P(A $bigcap$B) = $frac{1}{2}*0.012795$



Pr(A|B) = $frac{frac{1}{2}*0.012795}{2}$



Pr(A|B) = $0.012795$



Where did I go wrong with this approach? I find finding P(A) very time consuming, I feel like there has to be a much more simpler approach.










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    Your set contains $100$ elements but you are working with $10$. Is there a typo?
    – Anurag A
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  • @Anurag A yes it was a typo, set has 10 elements not 100
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Question:



Let X = $({1,2,3,..,10})$ Let $Y$ be a uniformly random subset of $X$. Define the events:



A = “$Y$ contains at least $4$ elements",



B = “all elements of $Y$ are even".



What is $Pr(A|B)$?




Answer: 0.1875



Attempt:



I know that P(A $bigcap$ B) / P(B) is what I have to ultimately find.



For $P(B)$ = $frac{5}{10}$ = $frac{1}{2}$



For P(A) => Must have exactly 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 elements



So, I used the binomial for this by doing:



P(A) =
$10choose4$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^4$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^6$ +



$10choose5$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^5$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^5$ +



$10choose6$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^6$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^4$ +



$10choose7$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^7$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^3$ +



$10choose8$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^8$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^2$ +



$10choose9$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^9$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^1$ +



$10choose10$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^{10}$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^0$ +



= $0.012795$



P(A $bigcap$B) = $frac{1}{2}*0.012795$



Pr(A|B) = $frac{frac{1}{2}*0.012795}{2}$



Pr(A|B) = $0.012795$



Where did I go wrong with this approach? I find finding P(A) very time consuming, I feel like there has to be a much more simpler approach.










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Question:



Let X = $({1,2,3,..,10})$ Let $Y$ be a uniformly random subset of $X$. Define the events:



A = “$Y$ contains at least $4$ elements",



B = “all elements of $Y$ are even".



What is $Pr(A|B)$?




Answer: 0.1875



Attempt:



I know that P(A $bigcap$ B) / P(B) is what I have to ultimately find.



For $P(B)$ = $frac{5}{10}$ = $frac{1}{2}$



For P(A) => Must have exactly 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 elements



So, I used the binomial for this by doing:



P(A) =
$10choose4$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^4$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^6$ +



$10choose5$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^5$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^5$ +



$10choose6$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^6$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^4$ +



$10choose7$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^7$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^3$ +



$10choose8$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^8$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^2$ +



$10choose9$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^9$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^1$ +



$10choose10$$.$ $frac{1}{10}$$^{10}$$.$$(1-frac{1}{10}$)$^0$ +



= $0.012795$



P(A $bigcap$B) = $frac{1}{2}*0.012795$



Pr(A|B) = $frac{frac{1}{2}*0.012795}{2}$



Pr(A|B) = $0.012795$



Where did I go wrong with this approach? I find finding P(A) very time consuming, I feel like there has to be a much more simpler approach.







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    Your set contains $100$ elements but you are working with $10$. Is there a typo?
    – Anurag A
    1 hour ago










  • @Anurag A yes it was a typo, set has 10 elements not 100
    – Toby
    1 hour ago














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    Your set contains $100$ elements but you are working with $10$. Is there a typo?
    – Anurag A
    1 hour ago










  • @Anurag A yes it was a typo, set has 10 elements not 100
    – Toby
    1 hour ago








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Your set contains $100$ elements but you are working with $10$. Is there a typo?
– Anurag A
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Your set contains $100$ elements but you are working with $10$. Is there a typo?
– Anurag A
1 hour ago












@Anurag A yes it was a typo, set has 10 elements not 100
– Toby
1 hour ago




@Anurag A yes it was a typo, set has 10 elements not 100
– Toby
1 hour ago










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$5$ elements of $X$ are even.



To have at least $4$ elements and all elements are even, you have either $4$ elements ($5$ ways, choose one to leave out) or $5$ elements ($1$ way).



$$frac{1+5}{2^{5}}=frac{6}{32}$$



Remark:




  • We are choosing uniformly over all subsets. $P(B)= frac{2^5}{2^{10}} ne frac{5}{10}$.


  • We don't have to find $P(A)$, what is of interest is $P(A cap B)$.


  • We do not have $P(A cap B)=P(A)P(B)$ in general, we need independence.







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  • How do I calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? I thought I can use the binomial to calculate P(A)
    – Toby
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  • $P(A cap B) = frac{1+5}{2^{10}}$ only those $6$ sets that I described satisfies the condition.
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  1. Why are you using binomial distribution to evaluate the probabilities for event $A$, when $Y$ is a uniformly random subset of $X$?   That means that every element (ie subset of $X$) of the powerset of $X$ (the sample space) has an equal probability of being selected.   Just count the favoured and total spaces.


  2. $mathsf P(Acap B)=mathsf P(B)~mathsf P(A)$ is only true for independent events, of which these are not.   Evaluate $mathsf P(Acap B)$ using a similar method as you should have evaluated $mathsf P(A)$.


  3. $mathsf P(B) neq tfrac 12$.   The event of "all the elements of $Y$ are even" is not exactly half of the sample space, which may be partitioned by "all the elements of $Y$ are even", "all of the elements of $Y$ are odd", and "some of the elements of $Y$ are even, and some are odd."   Rethink.







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  • I'm not sure on how to calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? Is the binomial method applicable here? For uniformly random subsets, I take it that the binomial can't be used?
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$5$ elements of $X$ are even.



To have at least $4$ elements and all elements are even, you have either $4$ elements ($5$ ways, choose one to leave out) or $5$ elements ($1$ way).



$$frac{1+5}{2^{5}}=frac{6}{32}$$



Remark:




  • We are choosing uniformly over all subsets. $P(B)= frac{2^5}{2^{10}} ne frac{5}{10}$.


  • We don't have to find $P(A)$, what is of interest is $P(A cap B)$.


  • We do not have $P(A cap B)=P(A)P(B)$ in general, we need independence.







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  • How do I calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? I thought I can use the binomial to calculate P(A)
    – Toby
    1 hour ago












  • $P(A cap B) = frac{1+5}{2^{10}}$ only those $6$ sets that I described satisfies the condition.
    – Siong Thye Goh
    1 hour ago















up vote
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$5$ elements of $X$ are even.



To have at least $4$ elements and all elements are even, you have either $4$ elements ($5$ ways, choose one to leave out) or $5$ elements ($1$ way).



$$frac{1+5}{2^{5}}=frac{6}{32}$$



Remark:




  • We are choosing uniformly over all subsets. $P(B)= frac{2^5}{2^{10}} ne frac{5}{10}$.


  • We don't have to find $P(A)$, what is of interest is $P(A cap B)$.


  • We do not have $P(A cap B)=P(A)P(B)$ in general, we need independence.







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  • How do I calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? I thought I can use the binomial to calculate P(A)
    – Toby
    1 hour ago












  • $P(A cap B) = frac{1+5}{2^{10}}$ only those $6$ sets that I described satisfies the condition.
    – Siong Thye Goh
    1 hour ago













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$5$ elements of $X$ are even.



To have at least $4$ elements and all elements are even, you have either $4$ elements ($5$ ways, choose one to leave out) or $5$ elements ($1$ way).



$$frac{1+5}{2^{5}}=frac{6}{32}$$



Remark:




  • We are choosing uniformly over all subsets. $P(B)= frac{2^5}{2^{10}} ne frac{5}{10}$.


  • We don't have to find $P(A)$, what is of interest is $P(A cap B)$.


  • We do not have $P(A cap B)=P(A)P(B)$ in general, we need independence.







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$5$ elements of $X$ are even.



To have at least $4$ elements and all elements are even, you have either $4$ elements ($5$ ways, choose one to leave out) or $5$ elements ($1$ way).



$$frac{1+5}{2^{5}}=frac{6}{32}$$



Remark:




  • We are choosing uniformly over all subsets. $P(B)= frac{2^5}{2^{10}} ne frac{5}{10}$.


  • We don't have to find $P(A)$, what is of interest is $P(A cap B)$.


  • We do not have $P(A cap B)=P(A)P(B)$ in general, we need independence.








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  • How do I calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? I thought I can use the binomial to calculate P(A)
    – Toby
    1 hour ago












  • $P(A cap B) = frac{1+5}{2^{10}}$ only those $6$ sets that I described satisfies the condition.
    – Siong Thye Goh
    1 hour ago


















  • How do I calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? I thought I can use the binomial to calculate P(A)
    – Toby
    1 hour ago












  • $P(A cap B) = frac{1+5}{2^{10}}$ only those $6$ sets that I described satisfies the condition.
    – Siong Thye Goh
    1 hour ago
















How do I calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? I thought I can use the binomial to calculate P(A)
– Toby
1 hour ago






How do I calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? I thought I can use the binomial to calculate P(A)
– Toby
1 hour ago














$P(A cap B) = frac{1+5}{2^{10}}$ only those $6$ sets that I described satisfies the condition.
– Siong Thye Goh
1 hour ago




$P(A cap B) = frac{1+5}{2^{10}}$ only those $6$ sets that I described satisfies the condition.
– Siong Thye Goh
1 hour ago










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  1. Why are you using binomial distribution to evaluate the probabilities for event $A$, when $Y$ is a uniformly random subset of $X$?   That means that every element (ie subset of $X$) of the powerset of $X$ (the sample space) has an equal probability of being selected.   Just count the favoured and total spaces.


  2. $mathsf P(Acap B)=mathsf P(B)~mathsf P(A)$ is only true for independent events, of which these are not.   Evaluate $mathsf P(Acap B)$ using a similar method as you should have evaluated $mathsf P(A)$.


  3. $mathsf P(B) neq tfrac 12$.   The event of "all the elements of $Y$ are even" is not exactly half of the sample space, which may be partitioned by "all the elements of $Y$ are even", "all of the elements of $Y$ are odd", and "some of the elements of $Y$ are even, and some are odd."   Rethink.







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  • I'm not sure on how to calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? Is the binomial method applicable here? For uniformly random subsets, I take it that the binomial can't be used?
    – Toby
    1 hour ago















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  1. Why are you using binomial distribution to evaluate the probabilities for event $A$, when $Y$ is a uniformly random subset of $X$?   That means that every element (ie subset of $X$) of the powerset of $X$ (the sample space) has an equal probability of being selected.   Just count the favoured and total spaces.


  2. $mathsf P(Acap B)=mathsf P(B)~mathsf P(A)$ is only true for independent events, of which these are not.   Evaluate $mathsf P(Acap B)$ using a similar method as you should have evaluated $mathsf P(A)$.


  3. $mathsf P(B) neq tfrac 12$.   The event of "all the elements of $Y$ are even" is not exactly half of the sample space, which may be partitioned by "all the elements of $Y$ are even", "all of the elements of $Y$ are odd", and "some of the elements of $Y$ are even, and some are odd."   Rethink.







share|cite|improve this answer























  • I'm not sure on how to calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? Is the binomial method applicable here? For uniformly random subsets, I take it that the binomial can't be used?
    – Toby
    1 hour ago













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  1. Why are you using binomial distribution to evaluate the probabilities for event $A$, when $Y$ is a uniformly random subset of $X$?   That means that every element (ie subset of $X$) of the powerset of $X$ (the sample space) has an equal probability of being selected.   Just count the favoured and total spaces.


  2. $mathsf P(Acap B)=mathsf P(B)~mathsf P(A)$ is only true for independent events, of which these are not.   Evaluate $mathsf P(Acap B)$ using a similar method as you should have evaluated $mathsf P(A)$.


  3. $mathsf P(B) neq tfrac 12$.   The event of "all the elements of $Y$ are even" is not exactly half of the sample space, which may be partitioned by "all the elements of $Y$ are even", "all of the elements of $Y$ are odd", and "some of the elements of $Y$ are even, and some are odd."   Rethink.







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  1. Why are you using binomial distribution to evaluate the probabilities for event $A$, when $Y$ is a uniformly random subset of $X$?   That means that every element (ie subset of $X$) of the powerset of $X$ (the sample space) has an equal probability of being selected.   Just count the favoured and total spaces.


  2. $mathsf P(Acap B)=mathsf P(B)~mathsf P(A)$ is only true for independent events, of which these are not.   Evaluate $mathsf P(Acap B)$ using a similar method as you should have evaluated $mathsf P(A)$.


  3. $mathsf P(B) neq tfrac 12$.   The event of "all the elements of $Y$ are even" is not exactly half of the sample space, which may be partitioned by "all the elements of $Y$ are even", "all of the elements of $Y$ are odd", and "some of the elements of $Y$ are even, and some are odd."   Rethink.








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I'm not sure on how to calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? Is the binomial method applicable here? For uniformly random subsets, I take it that the binomial can't be used?
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I'm not sure on how to calculate $mathsf P(Acap B)$? Is the binomial method applicable here? For uniformly random subsets, I take it that the binomial can't be used?
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