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My house just went through a flood and there was 7 feet of muddy water on the first floor, so all the AC outlets were underwater. After the water receded, all the unprotected outlets continued to work just fine. But 4 out of 5 GFCI outlets no longer work and cannot be reset. Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?



Also, all the GFCI outlets are at the ends of their lines. In other words, there is only one wire connected to each LINE terminal and no wires connected to the LOAD terminals. So they only seem to be protecting themselves. But if they failed once they got wet and all the non-GFCI outlets survived, can I just replace them with non-GFCI outlets?










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  • ...and get some ~12 foot pilings to jack your house up onto before the next flood; because there will be a next one.

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  • You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.

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My house just went through a flood and there was 7 feet of muddy water on the first floor, so all the AC outlets were underwater. After the water receded, all the unprotected outlets continued to work just fine. But 4 out of 5 GFCI outlets no longer work and cannot be reset. Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?



Also, all the GFCI outlets are at the ends of their lines. In other words, there is only one wire connected to each LINE terminal and no wires connected to the LOAD terminals. So they only seem to be protecting themselves. But if they failed once they got wet and all the non-GFCI outlets survived, can I just replace them with non-GFCI outlets?










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  • ...and get some ~12 foot pilings to jack your house up onto before the next flood; because there will be a next one.

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My house just went through a flood and there was 7 feet of muddy water on the first floor, so all the AC outlets were underwater. After the water receded, all the unprotected outlets continued to work just fine. But 4 out of 5 GFCI outlets no longer work and cannot be reset. Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?



Also, all the GFCI outlets are at the ends of their lines. In other words, there is only one wire connected to each LINE terminal and no wires connected to the LOAD terminals. So they only seem to be protecting themselves. But if they failed once they got wet and all the non-GFCI outlets survived, can I just replace them with non-GFCI outlets?










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My house just went through a flood and there was 7 feet of muddy water on the first floor, so all the AC outlets were underwater. After the water receded, all the unprotected outlets continued to work just fine. But 4 out of 5 GFCI outlets no longer work and cannot be reset. Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?



Also, all the GFCI outlets are at the ends of their lines. In other words, there is only one wire connected to each LINE terminal and no wires connected to the LOAD terminals. So they only seem to be protecting themselves. But if they failed once they got wet and all the non-GFCI outlets survived, can I just replace them with non-GFCI outlets?







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  • ...and get some ~12 foot pilings to jack your house up onto before the next flood; because there will be a next one.

    – Ecnerwal
    55 mins ago











  • You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.

    – chepner
    34 secs ago



















  • ...and get some ~12 foot pilings to jack your house up onto before the next flood; because there will be a next one.

    – Ecnerwal
    55 mins ago











  • You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.

    – chepner
    34 secs ago

















...and get some ~12 foot pilings to jack your house up onto before the next flood; because there will be a next one.

– Ecnerwal
55 mins ago





...and get some ~12 foot pilings to jack your house up onto before the next flood; because there will be a next one.

– Ecnerwal
55 mins ago













You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.

– chepner
34 secs ago





You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.

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GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.



Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!



New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.



Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.



Panel Alternative



An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.






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    Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!

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You've asked two distinct questions, which I'll excuse since you're new. In the future, one per post, please.




  1. It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.


  2. Whether they're needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.







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  • Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!

    – Patrick
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  • What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?

    – Xen2050
    22 mins ago











  • "An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.

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Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?




A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).



Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.






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    GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.



    Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!



    New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.



    Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.



    Panel Alternative



    An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.






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      Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!

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    GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.



    Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!



    New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.



    Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.



    Panel Alternative



    An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.






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    GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.



    Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!



    New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.



    Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.



    Panel Alternative



    An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.






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    Not worth the risk



    GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.



    Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!



    New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.



    Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.



    Panel Alternative



    An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.







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      Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!

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      Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!

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    Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!

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    Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!

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    You've asked two distinct questions, which I'll excuse since you're new. In the future, one per post, please.




    1. It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.


    2. Whether they're needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.







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    • Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!

      – Patrick
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    • What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?

      – Xen2050
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    • "An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.

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    You've asked two distinct questions, which I'll excuse since you're new. In the future, one per post, please.




    1. It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.


    2. Whether they're needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.







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    • Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!

      – Patrick
      1 hour ago











    • What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?

      – Xen2050
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    • "An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.

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    You've asked two distinct questions, which I'll excuse since you're new. In the future, one per post, please.




    1. It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.


    2. Whether they're needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.







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    You've asked two distinct questions, which I'll excuse since you're new. In the future, one per post, please.




    1. It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.


    2. Whether they're needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.








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    • Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!

      – Patrick
      1 hour ago











    • What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?

      – Xen2050
      22 mins ago











    • "An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.

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    • Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!

      – Patrick
      1 hour ago











    • What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?

      – Xen2050
      22 mins ago











    • "An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.

      – isherwood
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    Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!

    – Patrick
    1 hour ago





    Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!

    – Patrick
    1 hour ago













    What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?

    – Xen2050
    22 mins ago





    What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?

    – Xen2050
    22 mins ago













    "An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.

    – isherwood
    8 mins ago







    "An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.

    – isherwood
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    Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?




    A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).



    Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.






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      A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).



      Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.






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        Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?




        A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).



        Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.






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        Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?




        A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).



        Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.







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