Fund Loses Money But 1099-DIV Shows Large Capital Gain Distribution
My Goldman Sachs fund lost over $6,000.00 for 2018, but the Form 1099-DIV shows a total capital gain distribution of over $62,000.00. How can that happen?
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My Goldman Sachs fund lost over $6,000.00 for 2018, but the Form 1099-DIV shows a total capital gain distribution of over $62,000.00. How can that happen?
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Do you mean the market value of your units declined $6,000 in 2018? Is this a mutual fund?
– quid
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Tax calculations on investments are equal parts voodoo, black magic, and numerology.
– Mark
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My Goldman Sachs fund lost over $6,000.00 for 2018, but the Form 1099-DIV shows a total capital gain distribution of over $62,000.00. How can that happen?
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My Goldman Sachs fund lost over $6,000.00 for 2018, but the Form 1099-DIV shows a total capital gain distribution of over $62,000.00. How can that happen?
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Do you mean the market value of your units declined $6,000 in 2018? Is this a mutual fund?
– quid
5 hours ago
Tax calculations on investments are equal parts voodoo, black magic, and numerology.
– Mark
2 mins ago
add a comment |
Do you mean the market value of your units declined $6,000 in 2018? Is this a mutual fund?
– quid
5 hours ago
Tax calculations on investments are equal parts voodoo, black magic, and numerology.
– Mark
2 mins ago
Do you mean the market value of your units declined $6,000 in 2018? Is this a mutual fund?
– quid
5 hours ago
Do you mean the market value of your units declined $6,000 in 2018? Is this a mutual fund?
– quid
5 hours ago
Tax calculations on investments are equal parts voodoo, black magic, and numerology.
– Mark
2 mins ago
Tax calculations on investments are equal parts voodoo, black magic, and numerology.
– Mark
2 mins ago
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The capital gain distribution reflects what positions were sold. The value of the fund represents the assets that the fund still holds. The two may be very different.
Imagine I have the world's simplest mutual fund. I start off the year with $1 million in cash and there are 10,000 shares so each share is worth $100. On Jan 1, I buy $800,000 worth of stock A and $200,000 worth of stock B. I then go into hibernation and wake up on Dec 31. At that point, I find that A has lost 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $400,000) while B has gained 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $300,000). I sell all my B shares so I now have $400,000 worth of A and $300,000 in cash.
Overall, my fund has $700,000 in assets so each share is worth $70. The fund is down 30% for the year. But the fund realized $100,000 in capital gains from selling all its B shares. So someone holding the fund lost $30/ share and owes taxes on $10/ share worth of capital gains.
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Nice simplification. You nailed it.
– JoeTaxpayer♦
4 hours ago
Out of curiosity, is this different to ETFs? I have mostly used ETFs in the past and only ever released gains or losses based on my own sales. Do mutual funds pass the gains and losses to holders immediately during re balancing?
– Vality
3 hours ago
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@Vality - Both ETFs and mutual funds should distribute capital gains to shareholders annually (investor.vanguard.com/etf/faqs#/capgains). If you have an ETF based on an index or an index fund, those tend to be inherently relatively tax efficient so your capital gains distributions might be 0 or small enough that they're not memorable.
– Justin Cave
2 hours ago
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The capital gain distribution reflects what positions were sold. The value of the fund represents the assets that the fund still holds. The two may be very different.
Imagine I have the world's simplest mutual fund. I start off the year with $1 million in cash and there are 10,000 shares so each share is worth $100. On Jan 1, I buy $800,000 worth of stock A and $200,000 worth of stock B. I then go into hibernation and wake up on Dec 31. At that point, I find that A has lost 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $400,000) while B has gained 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $300,000). I sell all my B shares so I now have $400,000 worth of A and $300,000 in cash.
Overall, my fund has $700,000 in assets so each share is worth $70. The fund is down 30% for the year. But the fund realized $100,000 in capital gains from selling all its B shares. So someone holding the fund lost $30/ share and owes taxes on $10/ share worth of capital gains.
answered 5 hours ago
Justin CaveJustin Cave
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Nice simplification. You nailed it.
– JoeTaxpayer♦
4 hours ago
Out of curiosity, is this different to ETFs? I have mostly used ETFs in the past and only ever released gains or losses based on my own sales. Do mutual funds pass the gains and losses to holders immediately during re balancing?
– Vality
3 hours ago
1
@Vality - Both ETFs and mutual funds should distribute capital gains to shareholders annually (investor.vanguard.com/etf/faqs#/capgains). If you have an ETF based on an index or an index fund, those tend to be inherently relatively tax efficient so your capital gains distributions might be 0 or small enough that they're not memorable.
– Justin Cave
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The capital gain distribution reflects what positions were sold. The value of the fund represents the assets that the fund still holds. The two may be very different.
Imagine I have the world's simplest mutual fund. I start off the year with $1 million in cash and there are 10,000 shares so each share is worth $100. On Jan 1, I buy $800,000 worth of stock A and $200,000 worth of stock B. I then go into hibernation and wake up on Dec 31. At that point, I find that A has lost 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $400,000) while B has gained 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $300,000). I sell all my B shares so I now have $400,000 worth of A and $300,000 in cash.
Overall, my fund has $700,000 in assets so each share is worth $70. The fund is down 30% for the year. But the fund realized $100,000 in capital gains from selling all its B shares. So someone holding the fund lost $30/ share and owes taxes on $10/ share worth of capital gains.
answered 5 hours ago
Justin CaveJustin Cave
63616
Nice simplification. You nailed it.
– JoeTaxpayer♦
4 hours ago
Out of curiosity, is this different to ETFs? I have mostly used ETFs in the past and only ever released gains or losses based on my own sales. Do mutual funds pass the gains and losses to holders immediately during re balancing?
– Vality
3 hours ago
1
@Vality - Both ETFs and mutual funds should distribute capital gains to shareholders annually (investor.vanguard.com/etf/faqs#/capgains). If you have an ETF based on an index or an index fund, those tend to be inherently relatively tax efficient so your capital gains distributions might be 0 or small enough that they're not memorable.
– Justin Cave
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The capital gain distribution reflects what positions were sold. The value of the fund represents the assets that the fund still holds. The two may be very different.
Imagine I have the world's simplest mutual fund. I start off the year with $1 million in cash and there are 10,000 shares so each share is worth $100. On Jan 1, I buy $800,000 worth of stock A and $200,000 worth of stock B. I then go into hibernation and wake up on Dec 31. At that point, I find that A has lost 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $400,000) while B has gained 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $300,000). I sell all my B shares so I now have $400,000 worth of A and $300,000 in cash.
Overall, my fund has $700,000 in assets so each share is worth $70. The fund is down 30% for the year. But the fund realized $100,000 in capital gains from selling all its B shares. So someone holding the fund lost $30/ share and owes taxes on $10/ share worth of capital gains.
answered 5 hours ago
Justin CaveJustin Cave
63616
The capital gain distribution reflects what positions were sold. The value of the fund represents the assets that the fund still holds. The two may be very different.
Imagine I have the world's simplest mutual fund. I start off the year with $1 million in cash and there are 10,000 shares so each share is worth $100. On Jan 1, I buy $800,000 worth of stock A and $200,000 worth of stock B. I then go into hibernation and wake up on Dec 31. At that point, I find that A has lost 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $400,000) while B has gained 50% of its value (so my stake is worth $300,000). I sell all my B shares so I now have $400,000 worth of A and $300,000 in cash.
Overall, my fund has $700,000 in assets so each share is worth $70. The fund is down 30% for the year. But the fund realized $100,000 in capital gains from selling all its B shares. So someone holding the fund lost $30/ share and owes taxes on $10/ share worth of capital gains.
answered 5 hours ago
Justin CaveJustin Cave
63616
answered 5 hours ago
Justin CaveJustin Cave
63616
answered 5 hours ago
Justin CaveJustin Cave
63616
answered 5 hours ago
Justin CaveJustin Cave
63616
63616
Nice simplification. You nailed it.
– JoeTaxpayer♦
4 hours ago
Out of curiosity, is this different to ETFs? I have mostly used ETFs in the past and only ever released gains or losses based on my own sales. Do mutual funds pass the gains and losses to holders immediately during re balancing?
– Vality
3 hours ago
1
@Vality - Both ETFs and mutual funds should distribute capital gains to shareholders annually (investor.vanguard.com/etf/faqs#/capgains). If you have an ETF based on an index or an index fund, those tend to be inherently relatively tax efficient so your capital gains distributions might be 0 or small enough that they're not memorable.
– Justin Cave
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Nice simplification. You nailed it.
– JoeTaxpayer♦
4 hours ago
Out of curiosity, is this different to ETFs? I have mostly used ETFs in the past and only ever released gains or losses based on my own sales. Do mutual funds pass the gains and losses to holders immediately during re balancing?
– Vality
3 hours ago
1
@Vality - Both ETFs and mutual funds should distribute capital gains to shareholders annually (investor.vanguard.com/etf/faqs#/capgains). If you have an ETF based on an index or an index fund, those tend to be inherently relatively tax efficient so your capital gains distributions might be 0 or small enough that they're not memorable.
– Justin Cave
2 hours ago
Nice simplification. You nailed it.
– JoeTaxpayer♦
4 hours ago
Nice simplification. You nailed it.
– JoeTaxpayer♦
4 hours ago
Out of curiosity, is this different to ETFs? I have mostly used ETFs in the past and only ever released gains or losses based on my own sales. Do mutual funds pass the gains and losses to holders immediately during re balancing?
– Vality
3 hours ago
Out of curiosity, is this different to ETFs? I have mostly used ETFs in the past and only ever released gains or losses based on my own sales. Do mutual funds pass the gains and losses to holders immediately during re balancing?
– Vality
3 hours ago
1
1
@Vality - Both ETFs and mutual funds should distribute capital gains to shareholders annually (investor.vanguard.com/etf/faqs#/capgains). If you have an ETF based on an index or an index fund, those tend to be inherently relatively tax efficient so your capital gains distributions might be 0 or small enough that they're not memorable.
– Justin Cave
2 hours ago
@Vality - Both ETFs and mutual funds should distribute capital gains to shareholders annually (investor.vanguard.com/etf/faqs#/capgains). If you have an ETF based on an index or an index fund, those tend to be inherently relatively tax efficient so your capital gains distributions might be 0 or small enough that they're not memorable.
– Justin Cave
2 hours ago
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Do you mean the market value of your units declined $6,000 in 2018? Is this a mutual fund?
– quid
5 hours ago
Tax calculations on investments are equal parts voodoo, black magic, and numerology.
– Mark
2 mins ago