Is an isobar the same as an isotope?











up vote
19
down vote

favorite
2












I am a little bit confused about what an isobar is. Its online definition is that it's an element with the same number of neutrons but a different number of protons from an element $ce{X}$.




  1. To me, it doesn't make sense from the get-go, because once you change the number of protons the element changes as well so why exactly is it defined as the same element $ce{X}$ with the same number of neutrons and a different number of protons.


  2. Definition of an isotope: An isotope is an element $ce{X}$ with the same number of protons and a different number of neutrons.



So to the actual question now. Isn't an isobar just an isotope? Here is an example to clarify what I mean.
If we take for example carbon $ce{^12C(p:6, n:6)}$ and turn it into an isotope it will be $ce{^13C(p:6, n:7)}$, and that makes sense, but if we turn it into an isobar it would be $ce{^13C(p:7, n:6)}$, which doesn't make sense, because it looks exactly like an isotope of nitrogen $ce{^13N(p:7, n:6)}$.



If the atomic number changes than the element changes as well. So isn't an isobar just an isotope of the following element with a smaller neutron number?










share|improve this question









New contributor




Beatrice H. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
















  • 2




    Related: What are compounds with the same mass called? and What are isodiaphers?
    – Loong
    yesterday








  • 4




    To me an isobar is a line on a weather chart connecting points of the same atmospheric pressure.
    – Ross Millikan
    yesterday










  • @RossMillikan Me too. Maybe because my eldest brother was a USAF meteorologist, I pay more attention to that kind of isobar. Very confusing for the same word to mean very different things in different branches of science.
    – Monty Harder
    23 hours ago










  • @MontyHarder: wiki tells me that old greek βάρος (baros) means weight en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B2%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82. So the isobar = same mass/weight seems to be closer to the direct translation of the term than same pressure (which of course is the weight of the atmosphere per area) And btw. in the chart of nuclides you do have isobaric lines as well.
    – cbeleites
    8 hours ago















up vote
19
down vote

favorite
2












I am a little bit confused about what an isobar is. Its online definition is that it's an element with the same number of neutrons but a different number of protons from an element $ce{X}$.




  1. To me, it doesn't make sense from the get-go, because once you change the number of protons the element changes as well so why exactly is it defined as the same element $ce{X}$ with the same number of neutrons and a different number of protons.


  2. Definition of an isotope: An isotope is an element $ce{X}$ with the same number of protons and a different number of neutrons.



So to the actual question now. Isn't an isobar just an isotope? Here is an example to clarify what I mean.
If we take for example carbon $ce{^12C(p:6, n:6)}$ and turn it into an isotope it will be $ce{^13C(p:6, n:7)}$, and that makes sense, but if we turn it into an isobar it would be $ce{^13C(p:7, n:6)}$, which doesn't make sense, because it looks exactly like an isotope of nitrogen $ce{^13N(p:7, n:6)}$.



If the atomic number changes than the element changes as well. So isn't an isobar just an isotope of the following element with a smaller neutron number?










share|improve this question









New contributor




Beatrice H. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
















  • 2




    Related: What are compounds with the same mass called? and What are isodiaphers?
    – Loong
    yesterday








  • 4




    To me an isobar is a line on a weather chart connecting points of the same atmospheric pressure.
    – Ross Millikan
    yesterday










  • @RossMillikan Me too. Maybe because my eldest brother was a USAF meteorologist, I pay more attention to that kind of isobar. Very confusing for the same word to mean very different things in different branches of science.
    – Monty Harder
    23 hours ago










  • @MontyHarder: wiki tells me that old greek βάρος (baros) means weight en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B2%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82. So the isobar = same mass/weight seems to be closer to the direct translation of the term than same pressure (which of course is the weight of the atmosphere per area) And btw. in the chart of nuclides you do have isobaric lines as well.
    – cbeleites
    8 hours ago













up vote
19
down vote

favorite
2









up vote
19
down vote

favorite
2






2





I am a little bit confused about what an isobar is. Its online definition is that it's an element with the same number of neutrons but a different number of protons from an element $ce{X}$.




  1. To me, it doesn't make sense from the get-go, because once you change the number of protons the element changes as well so why exactly is it defined as the same element $ce{X}$ with the same number of neutrons and a different number of protons.


  2. Definition of an isotope: An isotope is an element $ce{X}$ with the same number of protons and a different number of neutrons.



So to the actual question now. Isn't an isobar just an isotope? Here is an example to clarify what I mean.
If we take for example carbon $ce{^12C(p:6, n:6)}$ and turn it into an isotope it will be $ce{^13C(p:6, n:7)}$, and that makes sense, but if we turn it into an isobar it would be $ce{^13C(p:7, n:6)}$, which doesn't make sense, because it looks exactly like an isotope of nitrogen $ce{^13N(p:7, n:6)}$.



If the atomic number changes than the element changes as well. So isn't an isobar just an isotope of the following element with a smaller neutron number?










share|improve this question









New contributor




Beatrice H. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











I am a little bit confused about what an isobar is. Its online definition is that it's an element with the same number of neutrons but a different number of protons from an element $ce{X}$.




  1. To me, it doesn't make sense from the get-go, because once you change the number of protons the element changes as well so why exactly is it defined as the same element $ce{X}$ with the same number of neutrons and a different number of protons.


  2. Definition of an isotope: An isotope is an element $ce{X}$ with the same number of protons and a different number of neutrons.



So to the actual question now. Isn't an isobar just an isotope? Here is an example to clarify what I mean.
If we take for example carbon $ce{^12C(p:6, n:6)}$ and turn it into an isotope it will be $ce{^13C(p:6, n:7)}$, and that makes sense, but if we turn it into an isobar it would be $ce{^13C(p:7, n:6)}$, which doesn't make sense, because it looks exactly like an isotope of nitrogen $ce{^13N(p:7, n:6)}$.



If the atomic number changes than the element changes as well. So isn't an isobar just an isotope of the following element with a smaller neutron number?







terminology isotope






share|improve this question









New contributor




Beatrice H. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











share|improve this question









New contributor




Beatrice H. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited yesterday









Martin - マーチン

33.1k9104224




33.1k9104224






New contributor




Beatrice H. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









asked yesterday









Beatrice H.

1017




1017




New contributor




Beatrice H. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.





New contributor





Beatrice H. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.






Beatrice H. is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.








  • 2




    Related: What are compounds with the same mass called? and What are isodiaphers?
    – Loong
    yesterday








  • 4




    To me an isobar is a line on a weather chart connecting points of the same atmospheric pressure.
    – Ross Millikan
    yesterday










  • @RossMillikan Me too. Maybe because my eldest brother was a USAF meteorologist, I pay more attention to that kind of isobar. Very confusing for the same word to mean very different things in different branches of science.
    – Monty Harder
    23 hours ago










  • @MontyHarder: wiki tells me that old greek βάρος (baros) means weight en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B2%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82. So the isobar = same mass/weight seems to be closer to the direct translation of the term than same pressure (which of course is the weight of the atmosphere per area) And btw. in the chart of nuclides you do have isobaric lines as well.
    – cbeleites
    8 hours ago














  • 2




    Related: What are compounds with the same mass called? and What are isodiaphers?
    – Loong
    yesterday








  • 4




    To me an isobar is a line on a weather chart connecting points of the same atmospheric pressure.
    – Ross Millikan
    yesterday










  • @RossMillikan Me too. Maybe because my eldest brother was a USAF meteorologist, I pay more attention to that kind of isobar. Very confusing for the same word to mean very different things in different branches of science.
    – Monty Harder
    23 hours ago










  • @MontyHarder: wiki tells me that old greek βάρος (baros) means weight en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B2%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82. So the isobar = same mass/weight seems to be closer to the direct translation of the term than same pressure (which of course is the weight of the atmosphere per area) And btw. in the chart of nuclides you do have isobaric lines as well.
    – cbeleites
    8 hours ago








2




2




Related: What are compounds with the same mass called? and What are isodiaphers?
– Loong
yesterday






Related: What are compounds with the same mass called? and What are isodiaphers?
– Loong
yesterday






4




4




To me an isobar is a line on a weather chart connecting points of the same atmospheric pressure.
– Ross Millikan
yesterday




To me an isobar is a line on a weather chart connecting points of the same atmospheric pressure.
– Ross Millikan
yesterday












@RossMillikan Me too. Maybe because my eldest brother was a USAF meteorologist, I pay more attention to that kind of isobar. Very confusing for the same word to mean very different things in different branches of science.
– Monty Harder
23 hours ago




@RossMillikan Me too. Maybe because my eldest brother was a USAF meteorologist, I pay more attention to that kind of isobar. Very confusing for the same word to mean very different things in different branches of science.
– Monty Harder
23 hours ago












@MontyHarder: wiki tells me that old greek βάρος (baros) means weight en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B2%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82. So the isobar = same mass/weight seems to be closer to the direct translation of the term than same pressure (which of course is the weight of the atmosphere per area) And btw. in the chart of nuclides you do have isobaric lines as well.
– cbeleites
8 hours ago




@MontyHarder: wiki tells me that old greek βάρος (baros) means weight en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B2%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82. So the isobar = same mass/weight seems to be closer to the direct translation of the term than same pressure (which of course is the weight of the atmosphere per area) And btw. in the chart of nuclides you do have isobaric lines as well.
– cbeleites
8 hours ago










3 Answers
3






active

oldest

votes

















up vote
31
down vote



accepted










Not quite, an isotope has same number of protons ($ A- N = Z = mathrm{constant}$), but a different number of neutrons ($mathrm N$ varies; e.g. $ce{^3_color{red}{1}H}$ and $ce{^2_color{red}{1}H}$, or $ce{^295_color{red}{92}U}$ and $ce{^238_color{red}{92}U}$ are isotopes).



An isobar has a fixed number of total nucleons ($Z + N = A = mathrm{constant}$; e.g. $ce{^color{red}{40}_19K}$ and $ce{^color{red}{40}_20Ca}$, or $ce{^color{red}{3}_2He}$ and $ce{^color{red}{3}_1H}$ are isobars). Not nearly as mainstream as isotopes, but isobars are important to consider when doing mass spectroscopy.



Extra fact: For nuclei of the same number of neutrons ($A - Z = N = mathrm{constant}$), the term is isotones.






share|improve this answer



















  • 8




    Well, I learned something new today.
    – Todd Minehardt
    yesterday






  • 5




    @ToddMinehardt learning something new is the only reason I come back.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    Welp, I guess I was wrong!
    – jonsca
    yesterday






  • 1




    @jonsca first thing I thought of was surge protectors.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    People who don't know as much as A.K. often use "isotope" to mean "you know, like, carbon-14 or something", i.e. all nuclei with a given pair of values for $Z,,N$. In case anyone's curious, the term you want for that is nuclide.
    – J.G.
    yesterday




















up vote
11
down vote













I believe the definition you found may have been a little bit misleading. Here is another definition of isobar I found: each of two or more isotopes of different elements, with the same atomic weight. An isobar is referring to completely different elements. The prefix iso- means only one component must be the same between the different elements, and in the case of an isobar: mass.



I saw in your question the example that an isobar of carbon-13 would look like so $ce{^13C(p:7, n:6)}$; however, this is not proper notation, as an isobar cannot be of the same element. Once the number of protons changes, your element is no longer the same.



Isobars are simply two different elements with the same mass while isotopes are two of the same elements with different masses.






share|improve this answer























  • @Jon That is the same example as in the question and source of the whole confusion.
    – Martin - マーチン
    yesterday


















up vote
7
down vote













Isobar is of more interest to physics than chemistry.



As others have explained, your definition is confusing. The one here may be clearer: isobar (Wikipedia).



In chemistry, the number of protons is most significant since it determines the number of electrons and hence the chemical behaviour. The number of neutrons is relatively unimportant: variants may be useful for labeling and may have slightly different behaviour (most noticeable for $ce{^1H}$ and $ce{^2H}$). So, isotope is used fairly frequently to discuss these variants of the elements. Isobars may have very different chemical behaviour and are unlikely to be an interesting grouping.



In nuclear physics, the number of neutrons and protons have a similar significance hence the term nuclide (Wikipedia) for atoms with a specific number of protons and neutrons is useful. Isobars have a closer connection with each other than isotopes since isobars can interconvert via beta processes relatively easily. It is rare for an atom to decay into an isotope. For example, $ce{^{14}C}$ decays into $ce{^{14}N}$ rather than $ce{^{13}C}$ .



Isobars will be relevant in some specific situations in chemistry such mass spectroscopy. So, it is still useful to understand the concept.






share|improve this answer























  • Thank you for the explanation. Yes, your right, this question is more of a physical topic than chemical topic, but since the first time I heard about it was in chemistry I mixed it up. Thank you for pointing that out. I will look into the right stackexchange next time.
    – Beatrice H.
    yesterday






  • 1




    @BeatriceHurbean I'm sure isobar is discussed more in physics than chemistry, but as Loong's related post suggestion shows isobars are important to consider in mass spectroscopy, so very much a chemistry topic too.
    – A.K.
    yesterday








  • 1




    @A.K. Thanks - a good point.
    – badjohn
    yesterday











Your Answer





StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");

StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "431"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});

function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});


}
});






Beatrice H. is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.










 

draft saved


draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fchemistry.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f104382%2fis-an-isobar-the-same-as-an-isotope%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























3 Answers
3






active

oldest

votes








3 Answers
3






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes








up vote
31
down vote



accepted










Not quite, an isotope has same number of protons ($ A- N = Z = mathrm{constant}$), but a different number of neutrons ($mathrm N$ varies; e.g. $ce{^3_color{red}{1}H}$ and $ce{^2_color{red}{1}H}$, or $ce{^295_color{red}{92}U}$ and $ce{^238_color{red}{92}U}$ are isotopes).



An isobar has a fixed number of total nucleons ($Z + N = A = mathrm{constant}$; e.g. $ce{^color{red}{40}_19K}$ and $ce{^color{red}{40}_20Ca}$, or $ce{^color{red}{3}_2He}$ and $ce{^color{red}{3}_1H}$ are isobars). Not nearly as mainstream as isotopes, but isobars are important to consider when doing mass spectroscopy.



Extra fact: For nuclei of the same number of neutrons ($A - Z = N = mathrm{constant}$), the term is isotones.






share|improve this answer



















  • 8




    Well, I learned something new today.
    – Todd Minehardt
    yesterday






  • 5




    @ToddMinehardt learning something new is the only reason I come back.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    Welp, I guess I was wrong!
    – jonsca
    yesterday






  • 1




    @jonsca first thing I thought of was surge protectors.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    People who don't know as much as A.K. often use "isotope" to mean "you know, like, carbon-14 or something", i.e. all nuclei with a given pair of values for $Z,,N$. In case anyone's curious, the term you want for that is nuclide.
    – J.G.
    yesterday

















up vote
31
down vote



accepted










Not quite, an isotope has same number of protons ($ A- N = Z = mathrm{constant}$), but a different number of neutrons ($mathrm N$ varies; e.g. $ce{^3_color{red}{1}H}$ and $ce{^2_color{red}{1}H}$, or $ce{^295_color{red}{92}U}$ and $ce{^238_color{red}{92}U}$ are isotopes).



An isobar has a fixed number of total nucleons ($Z + N = A = mathrm{constant}$; e.g. $ce{^color{red}{40}_19K}$ and $ce{^color{red}{40}_20Ca}$, or $ce{^color{red}{3}_2He}$ and $ce{^color{red}{3}_1H}$ are isobars). Not nearly as mainstream as isotopes, but isobars are important to consider when doing mass spectroscopy.



Extra fact: For nuclei of the same number of neutrons ($A - Z = N = mathrm{constant}$), the term is isotones.






share|improve this answer



















  • 8




    Well, I learned something new today.
    – Todd Minehardt
    yesterday






  • 5




    @ToddMinehardt learning something new is the only reason I come back.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    Welp, I guess I was wrong!
    – jonsca
    yesterday






  • 1




    @jonsca first thing I thought of was surge protectors.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    People who don't know as much as A.K. often use "isotope" to mean "you know, like, carbon-14 or something", i.e. all nuclei with a given pair of values for $Z,,N$. In case anyone's curious, the term you want for that is nuclide.
    – J.G.
    yesterday















up vote
31
down vote



accepted







up vote
31
down vote



accepted






Not quite, an isotope has same number of protons ($ A- N = Z = mathrm{constant}$), but a different number of neutrons ($mathrm N$ varies; e.g. $ce{^3_color{red}{1}H}$ and $ce{^2_color{red}{1}H}$, or $ce{^295_color{red}{92}U}$ and $ce{^238_color{red}{92}U}$ are isotopes).



An isobar has a fixed number of total nucleons ($Z + N = A = mathrm{constant}$; e.g. $ce{^color{red}{40}_19K}$ and $ce{^color{red}{40}_20Ca}$, or $ce{^color{red}{3}_2He}$ and $ce{^color{red}{3}_1H}$ are isobars). Not nearly as mainstream as isotopes, but isobars are important to consider when doing mass spectroscopy.



Extra fact: For nuclei of the same number of neutrons ($A - Z = N = mathrm{constant}$), the term is isotones.






share|improve this answer














Not quite, an isotope has same number of protons ($ A- N = Z = mathrm{constant}$), but a different number of neutrons ($mathrm N$ varies; e.g. $ce{^3_color{red}{1}H}$ and $ce{^2_color{red}{1}H}$, or $ce{^295_color{red}{92}U}$ and $ce{^238_color{red}{92}U}$ are isotopes).



An isobar has a fixed number of total nucleons ($Z + N = A = mathrm{constant}$; e.g. $ce{^color{red}{40}_19K}$ and $ce{^color{red}{40}_20Ca}$, or $ce{^color{red}{3}_2He}$ and $ce{^color{red}{3}_1H}$ are isobars). Not nearly as mainstream as isotopes, but isobars are important to consider when doing mass spectroscopy.



Extra fact: For nuclei of the same number of neutrons ($A - Z = N = mathrm{constant}$), the term is isotones.







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited 19 hours ago

























answered yesterday









A.K.

8,10441861




8,10441861








  • 8




    Well, I learned something new today.
    – Todd Minehardt
    yesterday






  • 5




    @ToddMinehardt learning something new is the only reason I come back.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    Welp, I guess I was wrong!
    – jonsca
    yesterday






  • 1




    @jonsca first thing I thought of was surge protectors.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    People who don't know as much as A.K. often use "isotope" to mean "you know, like, carbon-14 or something", i.e. all nuclei with a given pair of values for $Z,,N$. In case anyone's curious, the term you want for that is nuclide.
    – J.G.
    yesterday
















  • 8




    Well, I learned something new today.
    – Todd Minehardt
    yesterday






  • 5




    @ToddMinehardt learning something new is the only reason I come back.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    Welp, I guess I was wrong!
    – jonsca
    yesterday






  • 1




    @jonsca first thing I thought of was surge protectors.
    – A.K.
    yesterday






  • 1




    People who don't know as much as A.K. often use "isotope" to mean "you know, like, carbon-14 or something", i.e. all nuclei with a given pair of values for $Z,,N$. In case anyone's curious, the term you want for that is nuclide.
    – J.G.
    yesterday










8




8




Well, I learned something new today.
– Todd Minehardt
yesterday




Well, I learned something new today.
– Todd Minehardt
yesterday




5




5




@ToddMinehardt learning something new is the only reason I come back.
– A.K.
yesterday




@ToddMinehardt learning something new is the only reason I come back.
– A.K.
yesterday




1




1




Welp, I guess I was wrong!
– jonsca
yesterday




Welp, I guess I was wrong!
– jonsca
yesterday




1




1




@jonsca first thing I thought of was surge protectors.
– A.K.
yesterday




@jonsca first thing I thought of was surge protectors.
– A.K.
yesterday




1




1




People who don't know as much as A.K. often use "isotope" to mean "you know, like, carbon-14 or something", i.e. all nuclei with a given pair of values for $Z,,N$. In case anyone's curious, the term you want for that is nuclide.
– J.G.
yesterday






People who don't know as much as A.K. often use "isotope" to mean "you know, like, carbon-14 or something", i.e. all nuclei with a given pair of values for $Z,,N$. In case anyone's curious, the term you want for that is nuclide.
– J.G.
yesterday












up vote
11
down vote













I believe the definition you found may have been a little bit misleading. Here is another definition of isobar I found: each of two or more isotopes of different elements, with the same atomic weight. An isobar is referring to completely different elements. The prefix iso- means only one component must be the same between the different elements, and in the case of an isobar: mass.



I saw in your question the example that an isobar of carbon-13 would look like so $ce{^13C(p:7, n:6)}$; however, this is not proper notation, as an isobar cannot be of the same element. Once the number of protons changes, your element is no longer the same.



Isobars are simply two different elements with the same mass while isotopes are two of the same elements with different masses.






share|improve this answer























  • @Jon That is the same example as in the question and source of the whole confusion.
    – Martin - マーチン
    yesterday















up vote
11
down vote













I believe the definition you found may have been a little bit misleading. Here is another definition of isobar I found: each of two or more isotopes of different elements, with the same atomic weight. An isobar is referring to completely different elements. The prefix iso- means only one component must be the same between the different elements, and in the case of an isobar: mass.



I saw in your question the example that an isobar of carbon-13 would look like so $ce{^13C(p:7, n:6)}$; however, this is not proper notation, as an isobar cannot be of the same element. Once the number of protons changes, your element is no longer the same.



Isobars are simply two different elements with the same mass while isotopes are two of the same elements with different masses.






share|improve this answer























  • @Jon That is the same example as in the question and source of the whole confusion.
    – Martin - マーチン
    yesterday













up vote
11
down vote










up vote
11
down vote









I believe the definition you found may have been a little bit misleading. Here is another definition of isobar I found: each of two or more isotopes of different elements, with the same atomic weight. An isobar is referring to completely different elements. The prefix iso- means only one component must be the same between the different elements, and in the case of an isobar: mass.



I saw in your question the example that an isobar of carbon-13 would look like so $ce{^13C(p:7, n:6)}$; however, this is not proper notation, as an isobar cannot be of the same element. Once the number of protons changes, your element is no longer the same.



Isobars are simply two different elements with the same mass while isotopes are two of the same elements with different masses.






share|improve this answer














I believe the definition you found may have been a little bit misleading. Here is another definition of isobar I found: each of two or more isotopes of different elements, with the same atomic weight. An isobar is referring to completely different elements. The prefix iso- means only one component must be the same between the different elements, and in the case of an isobar: mass.



I saw in your question the example that an isobar of carbon-13 would look like so $ce{^13C(p:7, n:6)}$; however, this is not proper notation, as an isobar cannot be of the same element. Once the number of protons changes, your element is no longer the same.



Isobars are simply two different elements with the same mass while isotopes are two of the same elements with different masses.







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited yesterday









Martin - マーチン

33.1k9104224




33.1k9104224










answered yesterday









ELI JONES

1264




1264












  • @Jon That is the same example as in the question and source of the whole confusion.
    – Martin - マーチン
    yesterday


















  • @Jon That is the same example as in the question and source of the whole confusion.
    – Martin - マーチン
    yesterday
















@Jon That is the same example as in the question and source of the whole confusion.
– Martin - マーチン
yesterday




@Jon That is the same example as in the question and source of the whole confusion.
– Martin - マーチン
yesterday










up vote
7
down vote













Isobar is of more interest to physics than chemistry.



As others have explained, your definition is confusing. The one here may be clearer: isobar (Wikipedia).



In chemistry, the number of protons is most significant since it determines the number of electrons and hence the chemical behaviour. The number of neutrons is relatively unimportant: variants may be useful for labeling and may have slightly different behaviour (most noticeable for $ce{^1H}$ and $ce{^2H}$). So, isotope is used fairly frequently to discuss these variants of the elements. Isobars may have very different chemical behaviour and are unlikely to be an interesting grouping.



In nuclear physics, the number of neutrons and protons have a similar significance hence the term nuclide (Wikipedia) for atoms with a specific number of protons and neutrons is useful. Isobars have a closer connection with each other than isotopes since isobars can interconvert via beta processes relatively easily. It is rare for an atom to decay into an isotope. For example, $ce{^{14}C}$ decays into $ce{^{14}N}$ rather than $ce{^{13}C}$ .



Isobars will be relevant in some specific situations in chemistry such mass spectroscopy. So, it is still useful to understand the concept.






share|improve this answer























  • Thank you for the explanation. Yes, your right, this question is more of a physical topic than chemical topic, but since the first time I heard about it was in chemistry I mixed it up. Thank you for pointing that out. I will look into the right stackexchange next time.
    – Beatrice H.
    yesterday






  • 1




    @BeatriceHurbean I'm sure isobar is discussed more in physics than chemistry, but as Loong's related post suggestion shows isobars are important to consider in mass spectroscopy, so very much a chemistry topic too.
    – A.K.
    yesterday








  • 1




    @A.K. Thanks - a good point.
    – badjohn
    yesterday















up vote
7
down vote













Isobar is of more interest to physics than chemistry.



As others have explained, your definition is confusing. The one here may be clearer: isobar (Wikipedia).



In chemistry, the number of protons is most significant since it determines the number of electrons and hence the chemical behaviour. The number of neutrons is relatively unimportant: variants may be useful for labeling and may have slightly different behaviour (most noticeable for $ce{^1H}$ and $ce{^2H}$). So, isotope is used fairly frequently to discuss these variants of the elements. Isobars may have very different chemical behaviour and are unlikely to be an interesting grouping.



In nuclear physics, the number of neutrons and protons have a similar significance hence the term nuclide (Wikipedia) for atoms with a specific number of protons and neutrons is useful. Isobars have a closer connection with each other than isotopes since isobars can interconvert via beta processes relatively easily. It is rare for an atom to decay into an isotope. For example, $ce{^{14}C}$ decays into $ce{^{14}N}$ rather than $ce{^{13}C}$ .



Isobars will be relevant in some specific situations in chemistry such mass spectroscopy. So, it is still useful to understand the concept.






share|improve this answer























  • Thank you for the explanation. Yes, your right, this question is more of a physical topic than chemical topic, but since the first time I heard about it was in chemistry I mixed it up. Thank you for pointing that out. I will look into the right stackexchange next time.
    – Beatrice H.
    yesterday






  • 1




    @BeatriceHurbean I'm sure isobar is discussed more in physics than chemistry, but as Loong's related post suggestion shows isobars are important to consider in mass spectroscopy, so very much a chemistry topic too.
    – A.K.
    yesterday








  • 1




    @A.K. Thanks - a good point.
    – badjohn
    yesterday













up vote
7
down vote










up vote
7
down vote









Isobar is of more interest to physics than chemistry.



As others have explained, your definition is confusing. The one here may be clearer: isobar (Wikipedia).



In chemistry, the number of protons is most significant since it determines the number of electrons and hence the chemical behaviour. The number of neutrons is relatively unimportant: variants may be useful for labeling and may have slightly different behaviour (most noticeable for $ce{^1H}$ and $ce{^2H}$). So, isotope is used fairly frequently to discuss these variants of the elements. Isobars may have very different chemical behaviour and are unlikely to be an interesting grouping.



In nuclear physics, the number of neutrons and protons have a similar significance hence the term nuclide (Wikipedia) for atoms with a specific number of protons and neutrons is useful. Isobars have a closer connection with each other than isotopes since isobars can interconvert via beta processes relatively easily. It is rare for an atom to decay into an isotope. For example, $ce{^{14}C}$ decays into $ce{^{14}N}$ rather than $ce{^{13}C}$ .



Isobars will be relevant in some specific situations in chemistry such mass spectroscopy. So, it is still useful to understand the concept.






share|improve this answer














Isobar is of more interest to physics than chemistry.



As others have explained, your definition is confusing. The one here may be clearer: isobar (Wikipedia).



In chemistry, the number of protons is most significant since it determines the number of electrons and hence the chemical behaviour. The number of neutrons is relatively unimportant: variants may be useful for labeling and may have slightly different behaviour (most noticeable for $ce{^1H}$ and $ce{^2H}$). So, isotope is used fairly frequently to discuss these variants of the elements. Isobars may have very different chemical behaviour and are unlikely to be an interesting grouping.



In nuclear physics, the number of neutrons and protons have a similar significance hence the term nuclide (Wikipedia) for atoms with a specific number of protons and neutrons is useful. Isobars have a closer connection with each other than isotopes since isobars can interconvert via beta processes relatively easily. It is rare for an atom to decay into an isotope. For example, $ce{^{14}C}$ decays into $ce{^{14}N}$ rather than $ce{^{13}C}$ .



Isobars will be relevant in some specific situations in chemistry such mass spectroscopy. So, it is still useful to understand the concept.







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited yesterday

























answered yesterday









badjohn

451111




451111












  • Thank you for the explanation. Yes, your right, this question is more of a physical topic than chemical topic, but since the first time I heard about it was in chemistry I mixed it up. Thank you for pointing that out. I will look into the right stackexchange next time.
    – Beatrice H.
    yesterday






  • 1




    @BeatriceHurbean I'm sure isobar is discussed more in physics than chemistry, but as Loong's related post suggestion shows isobars are important to consider in mass spectroscopy, so very much a chemistry topic too.
    – A.K.
    yesterday








  • 1




    @A.K. Thanks - a good point.
    – badjohn
    yesterday


















  • Thank you for the explanation. Yes, your right, this question is more of a physical topic than chemical topic, but since the first time I heard about it was in chemistry I mixed it up. Thank you for pointing that out. I will look into the right stackexchange next time.
    – Beatrice H.
    yesterday






  • 1




    @BeatriceHurbean I'm sure isobar is discussed more in physics than chemistry, but as Loong's related post suggestion shows isobars are important to consider in mass spectroscopy, so very much a chemistry topic too.
    – A.K.
    yesterday








  • 1




    @A.K. Thanks - a good point.
    – badjohn
    yesterday
















Thank you for the explanation. Yes, your right, this question is more of a physical topic than chemical topic, but since the first time I heard about it was in chemistry I mixed it up. Thank you for pointing that out. I will look into the right stackexchange next time.
– Beatrice H.
yesterday




Thank you for the explanation. Yes, your right, this question is more of a physical topic than chemical topic, but since the first time I heard about it was in chemistry I mixed it up. Thank you for pointing that out. I will look into the right stackexchange next time.
– Beatrice H.
yesterday




1




1




@BeatriceHurbean I'm sure isobar is discussed more in physics than chemistry, but as Loong's related post suggestion shows isobars are important to consider in mass spectroscopy, so very much a chemistry topic too.
– A.K.
yesterday






@BeatriceHurbean I'm sure isobar is discussed more in physics than chemistry, but as Loong's related post suggestion shows isobars are important to consider in mass spectroscopy, so very much a chemistry topic too.
– A.K.
yesterday






1




1




@A.K. Thanks - a good point.
– badjohn
yesterday




@A.K. Thanks - a good point.
– badjohn
yesterday










Beatrice H. is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.










 

draft saved


draft discarded


















Beatrice H. is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.













Beatrice H. is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.












Beatrice H. is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.















 


draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fchemistry.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f104382%2fis-an-isobar-the-same-as-an-isotope%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

flock() on closed filehandle LOCK_FILE at /usr/bin/apt-mirror

Mangá

Eduardo VII do Reino Unido