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Let $f colon mathbb{R} to mathbb{R} $ be a continuous function so that $ f(x) in mathbb I = mathbb Rsetminus mathbb Q, forall x in mathbb{R}$. Prove that $f$ is constant.
I tried assuming it's not a constant but I can't get to a contradiction with continuity.
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Let $f colon mathbb{R} to mathbb{R} $ be a continuous function so that $ f(x) in mathbb I = mathbb Rsetminus mathbb Q, forall x in mathbb{R}$. Prove that $f$ is constant.
I tried assuming it's not a constant but I can't get to a contradiction with continuity.
functions continuity
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What's $mathbb{I}$?
– Dante Grevino
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@DanteGrevino it's set of irrational numbers
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Hint: assume it is not and then use the Intermediate Value Theorem to show that $f$ must take on a rational value.
– John Douma
yesterday
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Basically, rationals are everywhere. You cannot move an inch, a millimeter or an angstrom without stepping on a rational, or, for that matter, an infinity of rationals.
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Let $f colon mathbb{R} to mathbb{R} $ be a continuous function so that $ f(x) in mathbb I = mathbb Rsetminus mathbb Q, forall x in mathbb{R}$. Prove that $f$ is constant.
I tried assuming it's not a constant but I can't get to a contradiction with continuity.
functions continuity
Let $f colon mathbb{R} to mathbb{R} $ be a continuous function so that $ f(x) in mathbb I = mathbb Rsetminus mathbb Q, forall x in mathbb{R}$. Prove that $f$ is constant.
I tried assuming it's not a constant but I can't get to a contradiction with continuity.
functions continuity
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What's $mathbb{I}$?
– Dante Grevino
yesterday
@DanteGrevino it's set of irrational numbers
– user560461
yesterday
5
Hint: assume it is not and then use the Intermediate Value Theorem to show that $f$ must take on a rational value.
– John Douma
yesterday
1
Basically, rationals are everywhere. You cannot move an inch, a millimeter or an angstrom without stepping on a rational, or, for that matter, an infinity of rationals.
– Eric Duminil
yesterday
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What's $mathbb{I}$?
– Dante Grevino
yesterday
@DanteGrevino it's set of irrational numbers
– user560461
yesterday
5
Hint: assume it is not and then use the Intermediate Value Theorem to show that $f$ must take on a rational value.
– John Douma
yesterday
1
Basically, rationals are everywhere. You cannot move an inch, a millimeter or an angstrom without stepping on a rational, or, for that matter, an infinity of rationals.
– Eric Duminil
yesterday
2
2
What's $mathbb{I}$?
– Dante Grevino
yesterday
What's $mathbb{I}$?
– Dante Grevino
yesterday
@DanteGrevino it's set of irrational numbers
– user560461
yesterday
@DanteGrevino it's set of irrational numbers
– user560461
yesterday
5
5
Hint: assume it is not and then use the Intermediate Value Theorem to show that $f$ must take on a rational value.
– John Douma
yesterday
Hint: assume it is not and then use the Intermediate Value Theorem to show that $f$ must take on a rational value.
– John Douma
yesterday
1
1
Basically, rationals are everywhere. You cannot move an inch, a millimeter or an angstrom without stepping on a rational, or, for that matter, an infinity of rationals.
– Eric Duminil
yesterday
Basically, rationals are everywhere. You cannot move an inch, a millimeter or an angstrom without stepping on a rational, or, for that matter, an infinity of rationals.
– Eric Duminil
yesterday
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Assuming we know 1. The Intermediate Value Theorem and 2. that between any two irrationals there is a rational, then the proof by contradiction should work fine.
If $f(a)<f(b)$ then there has to be a rational number $r$ with $f(a)<r<f(b).$ By IVT, there is a $c$ such that $f(c)=r$, contradiction.
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The image $f(mathbb{R})$ is path-connected and the only non-empty path-connected subspaces of $mathbb{I}$ are the points. So $f$ is constant.
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The continuous image of a connected set is connected.
The only connected sets in $mathbb Rsetminus mathbb Q$ are single points.
Done.
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Suppose that $f$ is not constant. Then there are $i_1, i_2 in mathbb I$ such that $i_1 ne i_2$ and $i_1,i_2 in f(mathbb R)$. WLOG we can assume that $i_1 <i_2$. Now pick some rational number in $(i_1, i_2)$. The intermediate value theorem gives $r in f(mathbb R)$, a contradiction.
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Assuming we know 1. The Intermediate Value Theorem and 2. that between any two irrationals there is a rational, then the proof by contradiction should work fine.
If $f(a)<f(b)$ then there has to be a rational number $r$ with $f(a)<r<f(b).$ By IVT, there is a $c$ such that $f(c)=r$, contradiction.
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Assuming we know 1. The Intermediate Value Theorem and 2. that between any two irrationals there is a rational, then the proof by contradiction should work fine.
If $f(a)<f(b)$ then there has to be a rational number $r$ with $f(a)<r<f(b).$ By IVT, there is a $c$ such that $f(c)=r$, contradiction.
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Assuming we know 1. The Intermediate Value Theorem and 2. that between any two irrationals there is a rational, then the proof by contradiction should work fine.
If $f(a)<f(b)$ then there has to be a rational number $r$ with $f(a)<r<f(b).$ By IVT, there is a $c$ such that $f(c)=r$, contradiction.
Assuming we know 1. The Intermediate Value Theorem and 2. that between any two irrationals there is a rational, then the proof by contradiction should work fine.
If $f(a)<f(b)$ then there has to be a rational number $r$ with $f(a)<r<f(b).$ By IVT, there is a $c$ such that $f(c)=r$, contradiction.
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The image $f(mathbb{R})$ is path-connected and the only non-empty path-connected subspaces of $mathbb{I}$ are the points. So $f$ is constant.
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The image $f(mathbb{R})$ is path-connected and the only non-empty path-connected subspaces of $mathbb{I}$ are the points. So $f$ is constant.
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The image $f(mathbb{R})$ is path-connected and the only non-empty path-connected subspaces of $mathbb{I}$ are the points. So $f$ is constant.
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The image $f(mathbb{R})$ is path-connected and the only non-empty path-connected subspaces of $mathbb{I}$ are the points. So $f$ is constant.
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The continuous image of a connected set is connected.
The only connected sets in $mathbb Rsetminus mathbb Q$ are single points.
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The continuous image of a connected set is connected.
The only connected sets in $mathbb Rsetminus mathbb Q$ are single points.
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The continuous image of a connected set is connected.
The only connected sets in $mathbb Rsetminus mathbb Q$ are single points.
Done.
The continuous image of a connected set is connected.
The only connected sets in $mathbb Rsetminus mathbb Q$ are single points.
Done.
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Suppose that $f$ is not constant. Then there are $i_1, i_2 in mathbb I$ such that $i_1 ne i_2$ and $i_1,i_2 in f(mathbb R)$. WLOG we can assume that $i_1 <i_2$. Now pick some rational number in $(i_1, i_2)$. The intermediate value theorem gives $r in f(mathbb R)$, a contradiction.
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Suppose that $f$ is not constant. Then there are $i_1, i_2 in mathbb I$ such that $i_1 ne i_2$ and $i_1,i_2 in f(mathbb R)$. WLOG we can assume that $i_1 <i_2$. Now pick some rational number in $(i_1, i_2)$. The intermediate value theorem gives $r in f(mathbb R)$, a contradiction.
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Suppose that $f$ is not constant. Then there are $i_1, i_2 in mathbb I$ such that $i_1 ne i_2$ and $i_1,i_2 in f(mathbb R)$. WLOG we can assume that $i_1 <i_2$. Now pick some rational number in $(i_1, i_2)$. The intermediate value theorem gives $r in f(mathbb R)$, a contradiction.
Suppose that $f$ is not constant. Then there are $i_1, i_2 in mathbb I$ such that $i_1 ne i_2$ and $i_1,i_2 in f(mathbb R)$. WLOG we can assume that $i_1 <i_2$. Now pick some rational number in $(i_1, i_2)$. The intermediate value theorem gives $r in f(mathbb R)$, a contradiction.
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What's $mathbb{I}$?
– Dante Grevino
yesterday
@DanteGrevino it's set of irrational numbers
– user560461
yesterday
5
Hint: assume it is not and then use the Intermediate Value Theorem to show that $f$ must take on a rational value.
– John Douma
yesterday
1
Basically, rationals are everywhere. You cannot move an inch, a millimeter or an angstrom without stepping on a rational, or, for that matter, an infinity of rationals.
– Eric Duminil
yesterday