Crop duster to F-16 Pilot - how feasible?
In the movie Independence Day, one of the characters ends up saving the day by flying an F-16 (or some type of fighter-jet) into the Alien Mothership.
That character's only previous experience flying was crop-dusting with a small crop-dusting plane (and we can assume he wasn't necessarily the best pilot there, but was competent).
While I understand there are holes, and exaggerations, etc. in the movie, I was curious - Could you train a pilot who has only flown small crop-dusting planes to successfully take off and fly a fighter jet within say, 1 month?
Or for all practical purposes would it be better to simply not use that pilot (because they might crash the plane on takeoff, etc.)?
(I'm unsure if this is a better fit over on Aviation SE or here...)
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In the movie Independence Day, one of the characters ends up saving the day by flying an F-16 (or some type of fighter-jet) into the Alien Mothership.
That character's only previous experience flying was crop-dusting with a small crop-dusting plane (and we can assume he wasn't necessarily the best pilot there, but was competent).
While I understand there are holes, and exaggerations, etc. in the movie, I was curious - Could you train a pilot who has only flown small crop-dusting planes to successfully take off and fly a fighter jet within say, 1 month?
Or for all practical purposes would it be better to simply not use that pilot (because they might crash the plane on takeoff, etc.)?
(I'm unsure if this is a better fit over on Aviation SE or here...)
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In the movie Independence Day, one of the characters ends up saving the day by flying an F-16 (or some type of fighter-jet) into the Alien Mothership.
That character's only previous experience flying was crop-dusting with a small crop-dusting plane (and we can assume he wasn't necessarily the best pilot there, but was competent).
While I understand there are holes, and exaggerations, etc. in the movie, I was curious - Could you train a pilot who has only flown small crop-dusting planes to successfully take off and fly a fighter jet within say, 1 month?
Or for all practical purposes would it be better to simply not use that pilot (because they might crash the plane on takeoff, etc.)?
(I'm unsure if this is a better fit over on Aviation SE or here...)
independence-day
In the movie Independence Day, one of the characters ends up saving the day by flying an F-16 (or some type of fighter-jet) into the Alien Mothership.
That character's only previous experience flying was crop-dusting with a small crop-dusting plane (and we can assume he wasn't necessarily the best pilot there, but was competent).
While I understand there are holes, and exaggerations, etc. in the movie, I was curious - Could you train a pilot who has only flown small crop-dusting planes to successfully take off and fly a fighter jet within say, 1 month?
Or for all practical purposes would it be better to simply not use that pilot (because they might crash the plane on takeoff, etc.)?
(I'm unsure if this is a better fit over on Aviation SE or here...)
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The character of Russell Casse is currently employed crop-dusting, but this is not his only previous experience flying.
He is a former F-4 fighter pilot and fought in the Vietnam War.
While getting competent in any plane requires some familiarity and training, its a far more likely conversion from one fighter jet to another, than from a propeller driven crop duster to an F-16.
From one copy of the script:
Well, I'm, uh, Russell Casse, sir.
And, uh... after 'Nam,
I got into crop-dusting.
And, uh... been doing that ever since.
Which at the very least implies heavily that he has combat flying experience and transferred to crop dusting after he got out of service, even if there is no specific mention of the F-4.
Ohh, that makes sense! I haven't seen the movie in a while and forgot (or never caught on) he was a former military pilot.
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
Yeah, though I'm trying to track down specific in-movie quotes to support that - at the very least he is a stereotype of a PTSD afflicted vietnam vet.
– iandotkelly♦
5 hours ago
I've seen the movie zillions of times, and I can't recall him mentioning he was a former pilot - except maybe when he volunteered, they asked if he had experience. I'd assume he'd say "Vietnam, F-4s", instead of "Crop dusting all day!", but will have to re-watch to make sure. (I'm not saying it's not true, just can't remember the source of that fact).
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
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Side note! If you watch another ending of the movie, he's flying an old bi-plane with a bomb on it into the mouth of the mother ship instead of the fighter jet.
– MissouriSpartan
5 hours ago
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@iandotkelly , that was the original ending, technically, wasn't it? And then they added the 'alternate' ending of him being in an F/A-18 which eventually "morphed" into being accepted as the normal ending? I thought...........could be wrong.
– MissouriSpartan
4 hours ago
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All Russell said was:
"I can fly, I'm a pilot"
But in an alternate ending Russell flew is biplane into the alien ship...
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The character of Russell Casse is currently employed crop-dusting, but this is not his only previous experience flying.
He is a former F-4 fighter pilot and fought in the Vietnam War.
While getting competent in any plane requires some familiarity and training, its a far more likely conversion from one fighter jet to another, than from a propeller driven crop duster to an F-16.
From one copy of the script:
Well, I'm, uh, Russell Casse, sir.
And, uh... after 'Nam,
I got into crop-dusting.
And, uh... been doing that ever since.
Which at the very least implies heavily that he has combat flying experience and transferred to crop dusting after he got out of service, even if there is no specific mention of the F-4.
Ohh, that makes sense! I haven't seen the movie in a while and forgot (or never caught on) he was a former military pilot.
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
Yeah, though I'm trying to track down specific in-movie quotes to support that - at the very least he is a stereotype of a PTSD afflicted vietnam vet.
– iandotkelly♦
5 hours ago
I've seen the movie zillions of times, and I can't recall him mentioning he was a former pilot - except maybe when he volunteered, they asked if he had experience. I'd assume he'd say "Vietnam, F-4s", instead of "Crop dusting all day!", but will have to re-watch to make sure. (I'm not saying it's not true, just can't remember the source of that fact).
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
1
Side note! If you watch another ending of the movie, he's flying an old bi-plane with a bomb on it into the mouth of the mother ship instead of the fighter jet.
– MissouriSpartan
5 hours ago
1
@iandotkelly , that was the original ending, technically, wasn't it? And then they added the 'alternate' ending of him being in an F/A-18 which eventually "morphed" into being accepted as the normal ending? I thought...........could be wrong.
– MissouriSpartan
4 hours ago
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The character of Russell Casse is currently employed crop-dusting, but this is not his only previous experience flying.
He is a former F-4 fighter pilot and fought in the Vietnam War.
While getting competent in any plane requires some familiarity and training, its a far more likely conversion from one fighter jet to another, than from a propeller driven crop duster to an F-16.
From one copy of the script:
Well, I'm, uh, Russell Casse, sir.
And, uh... after 'Nam,
I got into crop-dusting.
And, uh... been doing that ever since.
Which at the very least implies heavily that he has combat flying experience and transferred to crop dusting after he got out of service, even if there is no specific mention of the F-4.
Ohh, that makes sense! I haven't seen the movie in a while and forgot (or never caught on) he was a former military pilot.
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
Yeah, though I'm trying to track down specific in-movie quotes to support that - at the very least he is a stereotype of a PTSD afflicted vietnam vet.
– iandotkelly♦
5 hours ago
I've seen the movie zillions of times, and I can't recall him mentioning he was a former pilot - except maybe when he volunteered, they asked if he had experience. I'd assume he'd say "Vietnam, F-4s", instead of "Crop dusting all day!", but will have to re-watch to make sure. (I'm not saying it's not true, just can't remember the source of that fact).
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
1
Side note! If you watch another ending of the movie, he's flying an old bi-plane with a bomb on it into the mouth of the mother ship instead of the fighter jet.
– MissouriSpartan
5 hours ago
1
@iandotkelly , that was the original ending, technically, wasn't it? And then they added the 'alternate' ending of him being in an F/A-18 which eventually "morphed" into being accepted as the normal ending? I thought...........could be wrong.
– MissouriSpartan
4 hours ago
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The character of Russell Casse is currently employed crop-dusting, but this is not his only previous experience flying.
He is a former F-4 fighter pilot and fought in the Vietnam War.
While getting competent in any plane requires some familiarity and training, its a far more likely conversion from one fighter jet to another, than from a propeller driven crop duster to an F-16.
From one copy of the script:
Well, I'm, uh, Russell Casse, sir.
And, uh... after 'Nam,
I got into crop-dusting.
And, uh... been doing that ever since.
Which at the very least implies heavily that he has combat flying experience and transferred to crop dusting after he got out of service, even if there is no specific mention of the F-4.
The character of Russell Casse is currently employed crop-dusting, but this is not his only previous experience flying.
He is a former F-4 fighter pilot and fought in the Vietnam War.
While getting competent in any plane requires some familiarity and training, its a far more likely conversion from one fighter jet to another, than from a propeller driven crop duster to an F-16.
From one copy of the script:
Well, I'm, uh, Russell Casse, sir.
And, uh... after 'Nam,
I got into crop-dusting.
And, uh... been doing that ever since.
Which at the very least implies heavily that he has combat flying experience and transferred to crop dusting after he got out of service, even if there is no specific mention of the F-4.
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Ohh, that makes sense! I haven't seen the movie in a while and forgot (or never caught on) he was a former military pilot.
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
Yeah, though I'm trying to track down specific in-movie quotes to support that - at the very least he is a stereotype of a PTSD afflicted vietnam vet.
– iandotkelly♦
5 hours ago
I've seen the movie zillions of times, and I can't recall him mentioning he was a former pilot - except maybe when he volunteered, they asked if he had experience. I'd assume he'd say "Vietnam, F-4s", instead of "Crop dusting all day!", but will have to re-watch to make sure. (I'm not saying it's not true, just can't remember the source of that fact).
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
1
Side note! If you watch another ending of the movie, he's flying an old bi-plane with a bomb on it into the mouth of the mother ship instead of the fighter jet.
– MissouriSpartan
5 hours ago
1
@iandotkelly , that was the original ending, technically, wasn't it? And then they added the 'alternate' ending of him being in an F/A-18 which eventually "morphed" into being accepted as the normal ending? I thought...........could be wrong.
– MissouriSpartan
4 hours ago
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Ohh, that makes sense! I haven't seen the movie in a while and forgot (or never caught on) he was a former military pilot.
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
Yeah, though I'm trying to track down specific in-movie quotes to support that - at the very least he is a stereotype of a PTSD afflicted vietnam vet.
– iandotkelly♦
5 hours ago
I've seen the movie zillions of times, and I can't recall him mentioning he was a former pilot - except maybe when he volunteered, they asked if he had experience. I'd assume he'd say "Vietnam, F-4s", instead of "Crop dusting all day!", but will have to re-watch to make sure. (I'm not saying it's not true, just can't remember the source of that fact).
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
1
Side note! If you watch another ending of the movie, he's flying an old bi-plane with a bomb on it into the mouth of the mother ship instead of the fighter jet.
– MissouriSpartan
5 hours ago
1
@iandotkelly , that was the original ending, technically, wasn't it? And then they added the 'alternate' ending of him being in an F/A-18 which eventually "morphed" into being accepted as the normal ending? I thought...........could be wrong.
– MissouriSpartan
4 hours ago
Ohh, that makes sense! I haven't seen the movie in a while and forgot (or never caught on) he was a former military pilot.
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
Ohh, that makes sense! I haven't seen the movie in a while and forgot (or never caught on) he was a former military pilot.
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
Yeah, though I'm trying to track down specific in-movie quotes to support that - at the very least he is a stereotype of a PTSD afflicted vietnam vet.
– iandotkelly♦
5 hours ago
Yeah, though I'm trying to track down specific in-movie quotes to support that - at the very least he is a stereotype of a PTSD afflicted vietnam vet.
– iandotkelly♦
5 hours ago
I've seen the movie zillions of times, and I can't recall him mentioning he was a former pilot - except maybe when he volunteered, they asked if he had experience. I'd assume he'd say "Vietnam, F-4s", instead of "Crop dusting all day!", but will have to re-watch to make sure. (I'm not saying it's not true, just can't remember the source of that fact).
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
I've seen the movie zillions of times, and I can't recall him mentioning he was a former pilot - except maybe when he volunteered, they asked if he had experience. I'd assume he'd say "Vietnam, F-4s", instead of "Crop dusting all day!", but will have to re-watch to make sure. (I'm not saying it's not true, just can't remember the source of that fact).
– BruceWayne
5 hours ago
1
1
Side note! If you watch another ending of the movie, he's flying an old bi-plane with a bomb on it into the mouth of the mother ship instead of the fighter jet.
– MissouriSpartan
5 hours ago
Side note! If you watch another ending of the movie, he's flying an old bi-plane with a bomb on it into the mouth of the mother ship instead of the fighter jet.
– MissouriSpartan
5 hours ago
1
1
@iandotkelly , that was the original ending, technically, wasn't it? And then they added the 'alternate' ending of him being in an F/A-18 which eventually "morphed" into being accepted as the normal ending? I thought...........could be wrong.
– MissouriSpartan
4 hours ago
@iandotkelly , that was the original ending, technically, wasn't it? And then they added the 'alternate' ending of him being in an F/A-18 which eventually "morphed" into being accepted as the normal ending? I thought...........could be wrong.
– MissouriSpartan
4 hours ago
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All Russell said was:
"I can fly, I'm a pilot"
But in an alternate ending Russell flew is biplane into the alien ship...
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All Russell said was:
"I can fly, I'm a pilot"
But in an alternate ending Russell flew is biplane into the alien ship...
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All Russell said was:
"I can fly, I'm a pilot"
But in an alternate ending Russell flew is biplane into the alien ship...
All Russell said was:
"I can fly, I'm a pilot"
But in an alternate ending Russell flew is biplane into the alien ship...
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