Why not a “live” visual connection with Curiosity on Mars all the time?
Note: Got the idea for this question by @uhoh's question: "Has anything close to video ("live" or otherwise) been shot in space from beyond the Moon ?
To have the "feeling" of a "live" connection with the Curiosity rover on Mars, why not send from there a real-time HD picture every 10 or 20 seconds for instance to be seen "directly" on NASA television ?
To give the inhabitants of the Earth the opportunity to experience what it's like to be on Mars.
mars photography curiosity data-transmission image-processing
asked Dec 8 at 15:20
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Note: Got the idea for this question by @uhoh's question: "Has anything close to video ("live" or otherwise) been shot in space from beyond the Moon ?
To have the "feeling" of a "live" connection with the Curiosity rover on Mars, why not send from there a real-time HD picture every 10 or 20 seconds for instance to be seen "directly" on NASA television ?
To give the inhabitants of the Earth the opportunity to experience what it's like to be on Mars.
mars photography curiosity data-transmission image-processing
asked Dec 8 at 15:20
Conelisinspace
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This is related to, but different than Could “live” video be transmitted from Mars?
– uhoh
Dec 8 at 15:36
2
There is night and day not only on Earth but on Mars too.
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:21
The question is how much power does that take?
– marshal craft
Dec 9 at 5:15
1
Who pays the bill for using so much precious DSN time for transmission of images with very few changes?
– Uwe
Dec 10 at 12:17
@Uwe You're right, it doesn't make sense when there are no changes. The MSL image archive is a good alternative. When there are changes, a video could be made.
– Conelisinspace
Dec 10 at 12:52
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Note: Got the idea for this question by @uhoh's question: "Has anything close to video ("live" or otherwise) been shot in space from beyond the Moon ?
To have the "feeling" of a "live" connection with the Curiosity rover on Mars, why not send from there a real-time HD picture every 10 or 20 seconds for instance to be seen "directly" on NASA television ?
To give the inhabitants of the Earth the opportunity to experience what it's like to be on Mars.
mars photography curiosity data-transmission image-processing
asked Dec 8 at 15:20
Conelisinspace
6601637
Note: Got the idea for this question by @uhoh's question: "Has anything close to video ("live" or otherwise) been shot in space from beyond the Moon ?
To have the "feeling" of a "live" connection with the Curiosity rover on Mars, why not send from there a real-time HD picture every 10 or 20 seconds for instance to be seen "directly" on NASA television ?
To give the inhabitants of the Earth the opportunity to experience what it's like to be on Mars.
mars photography curiosity data-transmission image-processing
mars photography curiosity data-transmission image-processing
asked Dec 8 at 15:20
Conelisinspace
6601637
asked Dec 8 at 15:20
Conelisinspace
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asked Dec 8 at 15:20
Conelisinspace
6601637
asked Dec 8 at 15:20
Conelisinspace
6601637
asked Dec 8 at 15:20
Conelisinspace
6601637
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3
This is related to, but different than Could “live” video be transmitted from Mars?
– uhoh
Dec 8 at 15:36
2
There is night and day not only on Earth but on Mars too.
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:21
The question is how much power does that take?
– marshal craft
Dec 9 at 5:15
1
Who pays the bill for using so much precious DSN time for transmission of images with very few changes?
– Uwe
Dec 10 at 12:17
@Uwe You're right, it doesn't make sense when there are no changes. The MSL image archive is a good alternative. When there are changes, a video could be made.
– Conelisinspace
Dec 10 at 12:52
|
show 1 more comment
3
This is related to, but different than Could “live” video be transmitted from Mars?
– uhoh
Dec 8 at 15:36
2
There is night and day not only on Earth but on Mars too.
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:21
The question is how much power does that take?
– marshal craft
Dec 9 at 5:15
1
Who pays the bill for using so much precious DSN time for transmission of images with very few changes?
– Uwe
Dec 10 at 12:17
@Uwe You're right, it doesn't make sense when there are no changes. The MSL image archive is a good alternative. When there are changes, a video could be made.
– Conelisinspace
Dec 10 at 12:52
3
3
This is related to, but different than Could “live” video be transmitted from Mars?
– uhoh
Dec 8 at 15:36
This is related to, but different than Could “live” video be transmitted from Mars?
– uhoh
Dec 8 at 15:36
2
2
There is night and day not only on Earth but on Mars too.
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:21
There is night and day not only on Earth but on Mars too.
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:21
The question is how much power does that take?
– marshal craft
Dec 9 at 5:15
The question is how much power does that take?
– marshal craft
Dec 9 at 5:15
1
1
Who pays the bill for using so much precious DSN time for transmission of images with very few changes?
– Uwe
Dec 10 at 12:17
Who pays the bill for using so much precious DSN time for transmission of images with very few changes?
– Uwe
Dec 10 at 12:17
@Uwe You're right, it doesn't make sense when there are no changes. The MSL image archive is a good alternative. When there are changes, a video could be made.
– Conelisinspace
Dec 10 at 12:52
@Uwe You're right, it doesn't make sense when there are no changes. The MSL image archive is a good alternative. When there are changes, a video could be made.
– Conelisinspace
Dec 10 at 12:52
|
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Why not? Because we can't.
We don't have full-time communication with Curiosity: Curiosity sends data to the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter and Mars Odyssey. These are overhead twice a day at 12-hour intervals. MRO and MO are in sun-synchronous orbits, so the planet rotates underneath the orbiter and they cover the entire planet in 1 day.
Both are in orbits slightly under 2 hours long, so they're only above the horizon for a short time.
During those communication passes, a limited amount of data can be uploaded. Curiosity was designed to upload 75 Mbit/day via Odyssey and 250 Mbit/day via MRO. The actual amount varies per day (depending on how high the orbiter is above the horizon), on some passes more data can be sent (up to 500 Mbit/day).
1 image/10 seconds is 6 MB/minute is 360 MB/hour. So you'd saturate the uplink and there'd be no room for science data.
Sending pictures every 10-20 seconds would interrupt driving (you don't want to take images while driving because they'd all be blurry) and hinder science operations. It would also eat into the rover's limited power budget.
The rover drives for a maximum of 3 hours/day. The rest of the time it's stationary so you'd just be sending duplicate images (apart from the occasional mast movement).
The MSL image archive contains all images taken by the rover. Each camera takes images every day. The 2 navigation cameras take 4-150 images per day each, for example. For Sol 2250, about 280 images were taken by the 8 cameras.
Images are usually uploaded within a day, the image archive contains images taken yesterday. Sometimes images are stored on the rover because other data are given priority.
Data for most of this from Emily Lakdawalla's book 'The design and engineering of Curiosity'.
answered Dec 8 at 16:01
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@Conelisinspace: Why should be 12 images a day been send if 9 or 10 would be duplicates?
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:40
3
@Conelisinspace - they are nearly polar orbits.
– amI
Dec 8 at 16:46
3
It's not just what the rover can send, it's what Earth can receive. It takes rather more than your average radio antenna to pick up signals from space probes. NASA uses this: marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/communicationwithearth The DSN is not dedicated to one mission: it has to be timeshared between all of the probes out there.
– jamesqf
Dec 8 at 18:28
2
Is Mb megabits?
– Ruslan
Dec 8 at 20:06
11
Conventionally small-b means bits, and large-B means bytes, particularly when talking about telecommunications.
– David Given
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Why not? Because we can't.
We don't have full-time communication with Curiosity: Curiosity sends data to the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter and Mars Odyssey. These are overhead twice a day at 12-hour intervals. MRO and MO are in sun-synchronous orbits, so the planet rotates underneath the orbiter and they cover the entire planet in 1 day.
Both are in orbits slightly under 2 hours long, so they're only above the horizon for a short time.
During those communication passes, a limited amount of data can be uploaded. Curiosity was designed to upload 75 Mbit/day via Odyssey and 250 Mbit/day via MRO. The actual amount varies per day (depending on how high the orbiter is above the horizon), on some passes more data can be sent (up to 500 Mbit/day).
1 image/10 seconds is 6 MB/minute is 360 MB/hour. So you'd saturate the uplink and there'd be no room for science data.
Sending pictures every 10-20 seconds would interrupt driving (you don't want to take images while driving because they'd all be blurry) and hinder science operations. It would also eat into the rover's limited power budget.
The rover drives for a maximum of 3 hours/day. The rest of the time it's stationary so you'd just be sending duplicate images (apart from the occasional mast movement).
The MSL image archive contains all images taken by the rover. Each camera takes images every day. The 2 navigation cameras take 4-150 images per day each, for example. For Sol 2250, about 280 images were taken by the 8 cameras.
Images are usually uploaded within a day, the image archive contains images taken yesterday. Sometimes images are stored on the rover because other data are given priority.
Data for most of this from Emily Lakdawalla's book 'The design and engineering of Curiosity'.
answered Dec 8 at 16:01
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@Conelisinspace: Why should be 12 images a day been send if 9 or 10 would be duplicates?
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:40
3
@Conelisinspace - they are nearly polar orbits.
– amI
Dec 8 at 16:46
3
It's not just what the rover can send, it's what Earth can receive. It takes rather more than your average radio antenna to pick up signals from space probes. NASA uses this: marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/communicationwithearth The DSN is not dedicated to one mission: it has to be timeshared between all of the probes out there.
– jamesqf
Dec 8 at 18:28
2
Is Mb megabits?
– Ruslan
Dec 8 at 20:06
11
Conventionally small-b means bits, and large-B means bytes, particularly when talking about telecommunications.
– David Given
Dec 8 at 20:57
|
show 11 more comments
Why not? Because we can't.
We don't have full-time communication with Curiosity: Curiosity sends data to the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter and Mars Odyssey. These are overhead twice a day at 12-hour intervals. MRO and MO are in sun-synchronous orbits, so the planet rotates underneath the orbiter and they cover the entire planet in 1 day.
Both are in orbits slightly under 2 hours long, so they're only above the horizon for a short time.
During those communication passes, a limited amount of data can be uploaded. Curiosity was designed to upload 75 Mbit/day via Odyssey and 250 Mbit/day via MRO. The actual amount varies per day (depending on how high the orbiter is above the horizon), on some passes more data can be sent (up to 500 Mbit/day).
1 image/10 seconds is 6 MB/minute is 360 MB/hour. So you'd saturate the uplink and there'd be no room for science data.
Sending pictures every 10-20 seconds would interrupt driving (you don't want to take images while driving because they'd all be blurry) and hinder science operations. It would also eat into the rover's limited power budget.
The rover drives for a maximum of 3 hours/day. The rest of the time it's stationary so you'd just be sending duplicate images (apart from the occasional mast movement).
The MSL image archive contains all images taken by the rover. Each camera takes images every day. The 2 navigation cameras take 4-150 images per day each, for example. For Sol 2250, about 280 images were taken by the 8 cameras.
Images are usually uploaded within a day, the image archive contains images taken yesterday. Sometimes images are stored on the rover because other data are given priority.
Data for most of this from Emily Lakdawalla's book 'The design and engineering of Curiosity'.
answered Dec 8 at 16:01
Hobbes
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@Conelisinspace: Why should be 12 images a day been send if 9 or 10 would be duplicates?
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:40
3
@Conelisinspace - they are nearly polar orbits.
– amI
Dec 8 at 16:46
3
It's not just what the rover can send, it's what Earth can receive. It takes rather more than your average radio antenna to pick up signals from space probes. NASA uses this: marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/communicationwithearth The DSN is not dedicated to one mission: it has to be timeshared between all of the probes out there.
– jamesqf
Dec 8 at 18:28
2
Is Mb megabits?
– Ruslan
Dec 8 at 20:06
11
Conventionally small-b means bits, and large-B means bytes, particularly when talking about telecommunications.
– David Given
Dec 8 at 20:57
|
show 11 more comments
Why not? Because we can't.
We don't have full-time communication with Curiosity: Curiosity sends data to the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter and Mars Odyssey. These are overhead twice a day at 12-hour intervals. MRO and MO are in sun-synchronous orbits, so the planet rotates underneath the orbiter and they cover the entire planet in 1 day.
Both are in orbits slightly under 2 hours long, so they're only above the horizon for a short time.
During those communication passes, a limited amount of data can be uploaded. Curiosity was designed to upload 75 Mbit/day via Odyssey and 250 Mbit/day via MRO. The actual amount varies per day (depending on how high the orbiter is above the horizon), on some passes more data can be sent (up to 500 Mbit/day).
1 image/10 seconds is 6 MB/minute is 360 MB/hour. So you'd saturate the uplink and there'd be no room for science data.
Sending pictures every 10-20 seconds would interrupt driving (you don't want to take images while driving because they'd all be blurry) and hinder science operations. It would also eat into the rover's limited power budget.
The rover drives for a maximum of 3 hours/day. The rest of the time it's stationary so you'd just be sending duplicate images (apart from the occasional mast movement).
The MSL image archive contains all images taken by the rover. Each camera takes images every day. The 2 navigation cameras take 4-150 images per day each, for example. For Sol 2250, about 280 images were taken by the 8 cameras.
Images are usually uploaded within a day, the image archive contains images taken yesterday. Sometimes images are stored on the rover because other data are given priority.
Data for most of this from Emily Lakdawalla's book 'The design and engineering of Curiosity'.
answered Dec 8 at 16:01
Hobbes
85.1k2238385
Why not? Because we can't.
We don't have full-time communication with Curiosity: Curiosity sends data to the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter and Mars Odyssey. These are overhead twice a day at 12-hour intervals. MRO and MO are in sun-synchronous orbits, so the planet rotates underneath the orbiter and they cover the entire planet in 1 day.
Both are in orbits slightly under 2 hours long, so they're only above the horizon for a short time.
During those communication passes, a limited amount of data can be uploaded. Curiosity was designed to upload 75 Mbit/day via Odyssey and 250 Mbit/day via MRO. The actual amount varies per day (depending on how high the orbiter is above the horizon), on some passes more data can be sent (up to 500 Mbit/day).
1 image/10 seconds is 6 MB/minute is 360 MB/hour. So you'd saturate the uplink and there'd be no room for science data.
Sending pictures every 10-20 seconds would interrupt driving (you don't want to take images while driving because they'd all be blurry) and hinder science operations. It would also eat into the rover's limited power budget.
The rover drives for a maximum of 3 hours/day. The rest of the time it's stationary so you'd just be sending duplicate images (apart from the occasional mast movement).
The MSL image archive contains all images taken by the rover. Each camera takes images every day. The 2 navigation cameras take 4-150 images per day each, for example. For Sol 2250, about 280 images were taken by the 8 cameras.
Images are usually uploaded within a day, the image archive contains images taken yesterday. Sometimes images are stored on the rover because other data are given priority.
Data for most of this from Emily Lakdawalla's book 'The design and engineering of Curiosity'.
answered Dec 8 at 16:01
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@Conelisinspace: Why should be 12 images a day been send if 9 or 10 would be duplicates?
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:40
3
@Conelisinspace - they are nearly polar orbits.
– amI
Dec 8 at 16:46
3
It's not just what the rover can send, it's what Earth can receive. It takes rather more than your average radio antenna to pick up signals from space probes. NASA uses this: marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/communicationwithearth The DSN is not dedicated to one mission: it has to be timeshared between all of the probes out there.
– jamesqf
Dec 8 at 18:28
2
Is Mb megabits?
– Ruslan
Dec 8 at 20:06
11
Conventionally small-b means bits, and large-B means bytes, particularly when talking about telecommunications.
– David Given
Dec 8 at 20:57
|
show 11 more comments
2
@Conelisinspace: Why should be 12 images a day been send if 9 or 10 would be duplicates?
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:40
3
@Conelisinspace - they are nearly polar orbits.
– amI
Dec 8 at 16:46
3
It's not just what the rover can send, it's what Earth can receive. It takes rather more than your average radio antenna to pick up signals from space probes. NASA uses this: marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/communicationwithearth The DSN is not dedicated to one mission: it has to be timeshared between all of the probes out there.
– jamesqf
Dec 8 at 18:28
2
Is Mb megabits?
– Ruslan
Dec 8 at 20:06
11
Conventionally small-b means bits, and large-B means bytes, particularly when talking about telecommunications.
– David Given
Dec 8 at 20:57
2
2
@Conelisinspace: Why should be 12 images a day been send if 9 or 10 would be duplicates?
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:40
@Conelisinspace: Why should be 12 images a day been send if 9 or 10 would be duplicates?
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:40
3
3
@Conelisinspace - they are nearly polar orbits.
– amI
Dec 8 at 16:46
@Conelisinspace - they are nearly polar orbits.
– amI
Dec 8 at 16:46
3
3
It's not just what the rover can send, it's what Earth can receive. It takes rather more than your average radio antenna to pick up signals from space probes. NASA uses this: marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/communicationwithearth The DSN is not dedicated to one mission: it has to be timeshared between all of the probes out there.
– jamesqf
Dec 8 at 18:28
It's not just what the rover can send, it's what Earth can receive. It takes rather more than your average radio antenna to pick up signals from space probes. NASA uses this: marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/communicationwithearth The DSN is not dedicated to one mission: it has to be timeshared between all of the probes out there.
– jamesqf
Dec 8 at 18:28
2
2
Is Mb megabits?
– Ruslan
Dec 8 at 20:06
Is Mb megabits?
– Ruslan
Dec 8 at 20:06
11
11
Conventionally small-b means bits, and large-B means bytes, particularly when talking about telecommunications.
– David Given
Dec 8 at 20:57
Conventionally small-b means bits, and large-B means bytes, particularly when talking about telecommunications.
– David Given
Dec 8 at 20:57
|
show 11 more comments
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This is related to, but different than Could “live” video be transmitted from Mars?
– uhoh
Dec 8 at 15:36
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There is night and day not only on Earth but on Mars too.
– Uwe
Dec 8 at 16:21
The question is how much power does that take?
– marshal craft
Dec 9 at 5:15
1
Who pays the bill for using so much precious DSN time for transmission of images with very few changes?
– Uwe
Dec 10 at 12:17
@Uwe You're right, it doesn't make sense when there are no changes. The MSL image archive is a good alternative. When there are changes, a video could be made.
– Conelisinspace
Dec 10 at 12:52