Can I apply multiple doses of Basic Poison to a weapon and get a cumulative effect?











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Suppose I have two vials of Basic Poison:




You can use the poison in this vial to coat one slashing or piercing weapon or up to three pieces of ammunition. Applying the poison takes an action. A creature hit by the poisoned weapon or ammunition must make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or take 1d4 poison damage. Once applied, the poison retains potency for 1 minute before drying.




I take an action to apply one dose to my sword, and then another action to apply a second dose. Then I hit a monster with my sword. Does the effect accumulate, with each poison causing an additional 1d4 damage (for a total of 2d4 on top of the normal weapon's damage)?



There are rules about not being able to accumulate multiple of the same condition, or the same magical effect, but I'm not sure there are any rules about combining mundane effects like this.



If there's no official answer, I'd appreciate any reasoning to help me make a ruling as a DM. I have a player whose character recently acquired an Alchemy Jug (which can make Basic Poison), and has asked me how multiple doses at once would work. I'm not sure whether poison ought to be something that is either there or not (and multiple doses wouldn't change anything other than maybe extending the duration) or whether applying more poison ought to be more harmful than applying less. Both interpretations seem reasonable to me.










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    Suppose I have two vials of Basic Poison:




    You can use the poison in this vial to coat one slashing or piercing weapon or up to three pieces of ammunition. Applying the poison takes an action. A creature hit by the poisoned weapon or ammunition must make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or take 1d4 poison damage. Once applied, the poison retains potency for 1 minute before drying.




    I take an action to apply one dose to my sword, and then another action to apply a second dose. Then I hit a monster with my sword. Does the effect accumulate, with each poison causing an additional 1d4 damage (for a total of 2d4 on top of the normal weapon's damage)?



    There are rules about not being able to accumulate multiple of the same condition, or the same magical effect, but I'm not sure there are any rules about combining mundane effects like this.



    If there's no official answer, I'd appreciate any reasoning to help me make a ruling as a DM. I have a player whose character recently acquired an Alchemy Jug (which can make Basic Poison), and has asked me how multiple doses at once would work. I'm not sure whether poison ought to be something that is either there or not (and multiple doses wouldn't change anything other than maybe extending the duration) or whether applying more poison ought to be more harmful than applying less. Both interpretations seem reasonable to me.










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      Suppose I have two vials of Basic Poison:




      You can use the poison in this vial to coat one slashing or piercing weapon or up to three pieces of ammunition. Applying the poison takes an action. A creature hit by the poisoned weapon or ammunition must make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or take 1d4 poison damage. Once applied, the poison retains potency for 1 minute before drying.




      I take an action to apply one dose to my sword, and then another action to apply a second dose. Then I hit a monster with my sword. Does the effect accumulate, with each poison causing an additional 1d4 damage (for a total of 2d4 on top of the normal weapon's damage)?



      There are rules about not being able to accumulate multiple of the same condition, or the same magical effect, but I'm not sure there are any rules about combining mundane effects like this.



      If there's no official answer, I'd appreciate any reasoning to help me make a ruling as a DM. I have a player whose character recently acquired an Alchemy Jug (which can make Basic Poison), and has asked me how multiple doses at once would work. I'm not sure whether poison ought to be something that is either there or not (and multiple doses wouldn't change anything other than maybe extending the duration) or whether applying more poison ought to be more harmful than applying less. Both interpretations seem reasonable to me.










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      Suppose I have two vials of Basic Poison:




      You can use the poison in this vial to coat one slashing or piercing weapon or up to three pieces of ammunition. Applying the poison takes an action. A creature hit by the poisoned weapon or ammunition must make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or take 1d4 poison damage. Once applied, the poison retains potency for 1 minute before drying.




      I take an action to apply one dose to my sword, and then another action to apply a second dose. Then I hit a monster with my sword. Does the effect accumulate, with each poison causing an additional 1d4 damage (for a total of 2d4 on top of the normal weapon's damage)?



      There are rules about not being able to accumulate multiple of the same condition, or the same magical effect, but I'm not sure there are any rules about combining mundane effects like this.



      If there's no official answer, I'd appreciate any reasoning to help me make a ruling as a DM. I have a player whose character recently acquired an Alchemy Jug (which can make Basic Poison), and has asked me how multiple doses at once would work. I'm not sure whether poison ought to be something that is either there or not (and multiple doses wouldn't change anything other than maybe extending the duration) or whether applying more poison ought to be more harmful than applying less. Both interpretations seem reasonable to me.







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          Game effects, not just magical effects, of the same name don't stack. See the DMG errata:




          Combining Game effects (p.252) This is a new subsection at
          the end of the “Combat” section:



          Different game features can affect a target at the same time. But when two or more game features have the same name, only the effects of one of them—the most potent one—apply while the durations of the effects overlap...




          So only one dose (1d4 damage) of the poison would apply.






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          • Hmm. Certainly a reasonable interpretation, and one I'll likely use (as I'd missed that section of the rules). However, in my DMG that section includes "Game features include spells, class features, feats, racial traits, monster abilities, and magic items", which seems to me to specifically omit non-magic items.
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          The closest you can come to this is perhaps a double-bladed weapon and multiattack


          Let's suppose your aim is to get 2d4 instead of just 1d4 of that poison damage on a single turn, with a single weapon, and without reapplying the poison once the combat has started.

          As correctly pointed out by Purple Monkey this won't work by coating, e.g., the same sword more than once with basic poison and then attacking with it, if such poison counts as a "game effect" mentioned in the DMG errata (which it likely should be).



          However, does the player have a double-bladed weapon, and multiattack? Then she could coat both blades right before jumping into the fray, and potentially get the 1d4 poison on both attacks (if they hit), because they no longer happen "at the same time."



          If you want to house-rule (or if you read the DMG errata as being unclear on whether mundane poison is a "game effect"), then as 16th century toxicologist Paracelsus said, "dosage makes the poison". However, there is a non-linear relationship between poison dosage and effects (as Paracelsus also noted). Meaning, damage isn't necessarily doubled when dosage is.






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          • If you are talking about PCs you should say "Extra Attack". Multiattack is a monster ability. Also your last sentence doesn't seem to be referring to anythign currently existing. Possibly the comment you were indicating was deleted.
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          Game effects, not just magical effects, of the same name don't stack. See the DMG errata:




          Combining Game effects (p.252) This is a new subsection at
          the end of the “Combat” section:



          Different game features can affect a target at the same time. But when two or more game features have the same name, only the effects of one of them—the most potent one—apply while the durations of the effects overlap...




          So only one dose (1d4 damage) of the poison would apply.






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          • Hmm. Certainly a reasonable interpretation, and one I'll likely use (as I'd missed that section of the rules). However, in my DMG that section includes "Game features include spells, class features, feats, racial traits, monster abilities, and magic items", which seems to me to specifically omit non-magic items.
            – Peter Cooper Jr.
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          Game effects, not just magical effects, of the same name don't stack. See the DMG errata:




          Combining Game effects (p.252) This is a new subsection at
          the end of the “Combat” section:



          Different game features can affect a target at the same time. But when two or more game features have the same name, only the effects of one of them—the most potent one—apply while the durations of the effects overlap...




          So only one dose (1d4 damage) of the poison would apply.






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          • Hmm. Certainly a reasonable interpretation, and one I'll likely use (as I'd missed that section of the rules). However, in my DMG that section includes "Game features include spells, class features, feats, racial traits, monster abilities, and magic items", which seems to me to specifically omit non-magic items.
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          Game effects, not just magical effects, of the same name don't stack. See the DMG errata:




          Combining Game effects (p.252) This is a new subsection at
          the end of the “Combat” section:



          Different game features can affect a target at the same time. But when two or more game features have the same name, only the effects of one of them—the most potent one—apply while the durations of the effects overlap...




          So only one dose (1d4 damage) of the poison would apply.






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          Game effects, not just magical effects, of the same name don't stack. See the DMG errata:




          Combining Game effects (p.252) This is a new subsection at
          the end of the “Combat” section:



          Different game features can affect a target at the same time. But when two or more game features have the same name, only the effects of one of them—the most potent one—apply while the durations of the effects overlap...




          So only one dose (1d4 damage) of the poison would apply.







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          • Hmm. Certainly a reasonable interpretation, and one I'll likely use (as I'd missed that section of the rules). However, in my DMG that section includes "Game features include spells, class features, feats, racial traits, monster abilities, and magic items", which seems to me to specifically omit non-magic items.
            – Peter Cooper Jr.
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          • Hmm. Certainly a reasonable interpretation, and one I'll likely use (as I'd missed that section of the rules). However, in my DMG that section includes "Game features include spells, class features, feats, racial traits, monster abilities, and magic items", which seems to me to specifically omit non-magic items.
            – Peter Cooper Jr.
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          Hmm. Certainly a reasonable interpretation, and one I'll likely use (as I'd missed that section of the rules). However, in my DMG that section includes "Game features include spells, class features, feats, racial traits, monster abilities, and magic items", which seems to me to specifically omit non-magic items.
          – Peter Cooper Jr.
          54 mins ago




          Hmm. Certainly a reasonable interpretation, and one I'll likely use (as I'd missed that section of the rules). However, in my DMG that section includes "Game features include spells, class features, feats, racial traits, monster abilities, and magic items", which seems to me to specifically omit non-magic items.
          – Peter Cooper Jr.
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          The closest you can come to this is perhaps a double-bladed weapon and multiattack


          Let's suppose your aim is to get 2d4 instead of just 1d4 of that poison damage on a single turn, with a single weapon, and without reapplying the poison once the combat has started.

          As correctly pointed out by Purple Monkey this won't work by coating, e.g., the same sword more than once with basic poison and then attacking with it, if such poison counts as a "game effect" mentioned in the DMG errata (which it likely should be).



          However, does the player have a double-bladed weapon, and multiattack? Then she could coat both blades right before jumping into the fray, and potentially get the 1d4 poison on both attacks (if they hit), because they no longer happen "at the same time."



          If you want to house-rule (or if you read the DMG errata as being unclear on whether mundane poison is a "game effect"), then as 16th century toxicologist Paracelsus said, "dosage makes the poison". However, there is a non-linear relationship between poison dosage and effects (as Paracelsus also noted). Meaning, damage isn't necessarily doubled when dosage is.






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          • If you are talking about PCs you should say "Extra Attack". Multiattack is a monster ability. Also your last sentence doesn't seem to be referring to anythign currently existing. Possibly the comment you were indicating was deleted.
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          The closest you can come to this is perhaps a double-bladed weapon and multiattack


          Let's suppose your aim is to get 2d4 instead of just 1d4 of that poison damage on a single turn, with a single weapon, and without reapplying the poison once the combat has started.

          As correctly pointed out by Purple Monkey this won't work by coating, e.g., the same sword more than once with basic poison and then attacking with it, if such poison counts as a "game effect" mentioned in the DMG errata (which it likely should be).



          However, does the player have a double-bladed weapon, and multiattack? Then she could coat both blades right before jumping into the fray, and potentially get the 1d4 poison on both attacks (if they hit), because they no longer happen "at the same time."



          If you want to house-rule (or if you read the DMG errata as being unclear on whether mundane poison is a "game effect"), then as 16th century toxicologist Paracelsus said, "dosage makes the poison". However, there is a non-linear relationship between poison dosage and effects (as Paracelsus also noted). Meaning, damage isn't necessarily doubled when dosage is.






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          • If you are talking about PCs you should say "Extra Attack". Multiattack is a monster ability. Also your last sentence doesn't seem to be referring to anythign currently existing. Possibly the comment you were indicating was deleted.
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          The closest you can come to this is perhaps a double-bladed weapon and multiattack


          Let's suppose your aim is to get 2d4 instead of just 1d4 of that poison damage on a single turn, with a single weapon, and without reapplying the poison once the combat has started.

          As correctly pointed out by Purple Monkey this won't work by coating, e.g., the same sword more than once with basic poison and then attacking with it, if such poison counts as a "game effect" mentioned in the DMG errata (which it likely should be).



          However, does the player have a double-bladed weapon, and multiattack? Then she could coat both blades right before jumping into the fray, and potentially get the 1d4 poison on both attacks (if they hit), because they no longer happen "at the same time."



          If you want to house-rule (or if you read the DMG errata as being unclear on whether mundane poison is a "game effect"), then as 16th century toxicologist Paracelsus said, "dosage makes the poison". However, there is a non-linear relationship between poison dosage and effects (as Paracelsus also noted). Meaning, damage isn't necessarily doubled when dosage is.






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          The closest you can come to this is perhaps a double-bladed weapon and multiattack


          Let's suppose your aim is to get 2d4 instead of just 1d4 of that poison damage on a single turn, with a single weapon, and without reapplying the poison once the combat has started.

          As correctly pointed out by Purple Monkey this won't work by coating, e.g., the same sword more than once with basic poison and then attacking with it, if such poison counts as a "game effect" mentioned in the DMG errata (which it likely should be).



          However, does the player have a double-bladed weapon, and multiattack? Then she could coat both blades right before jumping into the fray, and potentially get the 1d4 poison on both attacks (if they hit), because they no longer happen "at the same time."



          If you want to house-rule (or if you read the DMG errata as being unclear on whether mundane poison is a "game effect"), then as 16th century toxicologist Paracelsus said, "dosage makes the poison". However, there is a non-linear relationship between poison dosage and effects (as Paracelsus also noted). Meaning, damage isn't necessarily doubled when dosage is.







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          • If you are talking about PCs you should say "Extra Attack". Multiattack is a monster ability. Also your last sentence doesn't seem to be referring to anythign currently existing. Possibly the comment you were indicating was deleted.
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          • If you are talking about PCs you should say "Extra Attack". Multiattack is a monster ability. Also your last sentence doesn't seem to be referring to anythign currently existing. Possibly the comment you were indicating was deleted.
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          If you are talking about PCs you should say "Extra Attack". Multiattack is a monster ability. Also your last sentence doesn't seem to be referring to anythign currently existing. Possibly the comment you were indicating was deleted.
          – Rubiksmoose
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          If you are talking about PCs you should say "Extra Attack". Multiattack is a monster ability. Also your last sentence doesn't seem to be referring to anythign currently existing. Possibly the comment you were indicating was deleted.
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