Is there a feat that allows you to subtract a number from your AC and add it to your attack roll?
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Is there a feat that's the opposite of the Combat Expertise feat? I'm looking for a feat which would allow you to subtract a number from your AC and add it to your attack roll.
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Is there a feat that's the opposite of the Combat Expertise feat? I'm looking for a feat which would allow you to subtract a number from your AC and add it to your attack roll.
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As @KRyan says, there is no such feat. However, what you're looking for does exist in a class feature. 3 levels of War Chanter allow you to use Bardic Music to Inspire Recklessness in yourself and your allies, letting you (and them) take a penalty to AC up to your BAB and add it to your attack bonus.
You may also be interested in the Shock Trooper feat, which (among other things) lets you take your Power Attack penalty from AC instead of BAB when charging, allowing you to sacrifice your AC for damage.
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Additionally, the classic barbarian Rage does almost exactly this (also a class feature).
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No such feat exists. If it did, nearly everyone (who wants to make attacks, that is) would take it, because it would be amazing. You would see it recommended constantly, listed in every martial-class handbook, and so on, but you do not.
Combat Expertise is a really poor feat—even if you have it, most of the time it is the wrong choice to activate it. Quite simply, AC is a weak defense—most characters rely on non-AC defenses rather than waste the money it costs to keep AC relevant at mid-to-high levels. Meanwhile, attack bonus allows you to kill things, which is the greatest defense in the game—things cannot hurt you once they are dead. The only reason Combat Expertise gets taken at all is because of the feats that require it—and even once you have it, it’s rarely a good choice to use it.
Therefore, “flipping” Combat Expertise is not balanced—inverting an unreasonably bad trade becomes an unreasonably good one.
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@Miniman Eh, that’s only “close” if you were specifically imagining this feat being paired with Power Attack to mitigate the attack penalties of Power Attack. Which I agree, is the most obvious use for such a feat (and probably one of the best ones), but it isn’t necessarily related.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
War Story: I had a PC in a recent short E6 campaign that used Combat Expertise to some good effect—in conjunction with the feat Stone Power—, after he drew aggro using the feat Master of Mockery. Combined with a broadblade shortsword, 5 ranks in Tumble, and a special ability that increased his Combat Expertise's effect by 50%, it wasn't terrible, he contributed, and other folks still got to play. To be fair, though, the foes were just dudes with bows and not casters.
– Hey I Can Chan
1 hour ago
@HeyICanChan Yeah, E6 helps Combat Expertise where the cost is lower and the alternative options for defenses more limited. I’ve been considering it in my E6 tank... but still have found better things to do with my feats so far. Thanks for the reminder of Master of Mockery, though; that could prove useful.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
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It's not really a feat but more of an action you can choose in combat. If you use the charge attack (https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Charge) and move at least 10ft and have an unobstructed path to your target you can move up to double your movement speed and make a single attack that gains +2 to the attack roll but suffer -2 to AC until your next turn. I used to do that with my half orc barbarian to guarantee a hit on the first attack.
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As @KRyan says, there is no such feat. However, what you're looking for does exist in a class feature. 3 levels of War Chanter allow you to use Bardic Music to Inspire Recklessness in yourself and your allies, letting you (and them) take a penalty to AC up to your BAB and add it to your attack bonus.
You may also be interested in the Shock Trooper feat, which (among other things) lets you take your Power Attack penalty from AC instead of BAB when charging, allowing you to sacrifice your AC for damage.
answered 1 hour ago
Miniman
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Additionally, the classic barbarian Rage does almost exactly this (also a class feature).
– Mathaddict
1 hour ago
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As @KRyan says, there is no such feat. However, what you're looking for does exist in a class feature. 3 levels of War Chanter allow you to use Bardic Music to Inspire Recklessness in yourself and your allies, letting you (and them) take a penalty to AC up to your BAB and add it to your attack bonus.
You may also be interested in the Shock Trooper feat, which (among other things) lets you take your Power Attack penalty from AC instead of BAB when charging, allowing you to sacrifice your AC for damage.
answered 1 hour ago
Miniman
109k26493692
Additionally, the classic barbarian Rage does almost exactly this (also a class feature).
– Mathaddict
1 hour ago
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up vote
6
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up vote
6
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As @KRyan says, there is no such feat. However, what you're looking for does exist in a class feature. 3 levels of War Chanter allow you to use Bardic Music to Inspire Recklessness in yourself and your allies, letting you (and them) take a penalty to AC up to your BAB and add it to your attack bonus.
You may also be interested in the Shock Trooper feat, which (among other things) lets you take your Power Attack penalty from AC instead of BAB when charging, allowing you to sacrifice your AC for damage.
answered 1 hour ago
Miniman
109k26493692
As @KRyan says, there is no such feat. However, what you're looking for does exist in a class feature. 3 levels of War Chanter allow you to use Bardic Music to Inspire Recklessness in yourself and your allies, letting you (and them) take a penalty to AC up to your BAB and add it to your attack bonus.
You may also be interested in the Shock Trooper feat, which (among other things) lets you take your Power Attack penalty from AC instead of BAB when charging, allowing you to sacrifice your AC for damage.
answered 1 hour ago
Miniman
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answered 1 hour ago
Miniman
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answered 1 hour ago
Miniman
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answered 1 hour ago
Miniman
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109k26493692
Additionally, the classic barbarian Rage does almost exactly this (also a class feature).
– Mathaddict
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Additionally, the classic barbarian Rage does almost exactly this (also a class feature).
– Mathaddict
1 hour ago
Additionally, the classic barbarian Rage does almost exactly this (also a class feature).
– Mathaddict
1 hour ago
Additionally, the classic barbarian Rage does almost exactly this (also a class feature).
– Mathaddict
1 hour ago
add a comment |
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4
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No such feat exists. If it did, nearly everyone (who wants to make attacks, that is) would take it, because it would be amazing. You would see it recommended constantly, listed in every martial-class handbook, and so on, but you do not.
Combat Expertise is a really poor feat—even if you have it, most of the time it is the wrong choice to activate it. Quite simply, AC is a weak defense—most characters rely on non-AC defenses rather than waste the money it costs to keep AC relevant at mid-to-high levels. Meanwhile, attack bonus allows you to kill things, which is the greatest defense in the game—things cannot hurt you once they are dead. The only reason Combat Expertise gets taken at all is because of the feats that require it—and even once you have it, it’s rarely a good choice to use it.
Therefore, “flipping” Combat Expertise is not balanced—inverting an unreasonably bad trade becomes an unreasonably good one.
answered 3 hours ago
KRyan
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@Miniman Eh, that’s only “close” if you were specifically imagining this feat being paired with Power Attack to mitigate the attack penalties of Power Attack. Which I agree, is the most obvious use for such a feat (and probably one of the best ones), but it isn’t necessarily related.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
War Story: I had a PC in a recent short E6 campaign that used Combat Expertise to some good effect—in conjunction with the feat Stone Power—, after he drew aggro using the feat Master of Mockery. Combined with a broadblade shortsword, 5 ranks in Tumble, and a special ability that increased his Combat Expertise's effect by 50%, it wasn't terrible, he contributed, and other folks still got to play. To be fair, though, the foes were just dudes with bows and not casters.
– Hey I Can Chan
1 hour ago
@HeyICanChan Yeah, E6 helps Combat Expertise where the cost is lower and the alternative options for defenses more limited. I’ve been considering it in my E6 tank... but still have found better things to do with my feats so far. Thanks for the reminder of Master of Mockery, though; that could prove useful.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
add a comment |
up vote
4
down vote
No such feat exists. If it did, nearly everyone (who wants to make attacks, that is) would take it, because it would be amazing. You would see it recommended constantly, listed in every martial-class handbook, and so on, but you do not.
Combat Expertise is a really poor feat—even if you have it, most of the time it is the wrong choice to activate it. Quite simply, AC is a weak defense—most characters rely on non-AC defenses rather than waste the money it costs to keep AC relevant at mid-to-high levels. Meanwhile, attack bonus allows you to kill things, which is the greatest defense in the game—things cannot hurt you once they are dead. The only reason Combat Expertise gets taken at all is because of the feats that require it—and even once you have it, it’s rarely a good choice to use it.
Therefore, “flipping” Combat Expertise is not balanced—inverting an unreasonably bad trade becomes an unreasonably good one.
answered 3 hours ago
KRyan
216k28539929
@Miniman Eh, that’s only “close” if you were specifically imagining this feat being paired with Power Attack to mitigate the attack penalties of Power Attack. Which I agree, is the most obvious use for such a feat (and probably one of the best ones), but it isn’t necessarily related.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
War Story: I had a PC in a recent short E6 campaign that used Combat Expertise to some good effect—in conjunction with the feat Stone Power—, after he drew aggro using the feat Master of Mockery. Combined with a broadblade shortsword, 5 ranks in Tumble, and a special ability that increased his Combat Expertise's effect by 50%, it wasn't terrible, he contributed, and other folks still got to play. To be fair, though, the foes were just dudes with bows and not casters.
– Hey I Can Chan
1 hour ago
@HeyICanChan Yeah, E6 helps Combat Expertise where the cost is lower and the alternative options for defenses more limited. I’ve been considering it in my E6 tank... but still have found better things to do with my feats so far. Thanks for the reminder of Master of Mockery, though; that could prove useful.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
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up vote
4
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up vote
4
down vote
No such feat exists. If it did, nearly everyone (who wants to make attacks, that is) would take it, because it would be amazing. You would see it recommended constantly, listed in every martial-class handbook, and so on, but you do not.
Combat Expertise is a really poor feat—even if you have it, most of the time it is the wrong choice to activate it. Quite simply, AC is a weak defense—most characters rely on non-AC defenses rather than waste the money it costs to keep AC relevant at mid-to-high levels. Meanwhile, attack bonus allows you to kill things, which is the greatest defense in the game—things cannot hurt you once they are dead. The only reason Combat Expertise gets taken at all is because of the feats that require it—and even once you have it, it’s rarely a good choice to use it.
Therefore, “flipping” Combat Expertise is not balanced—inverting an unreasonably bad trade becomes an unreasonably good one.
answered 3 hours ago
KRyan
216k28539929
No such feat exists. If it did, nearly everyone (who wants to make attacks, that is) would take it, because it would be amazing. You would see it recommended constantly, listed in every martial-class handbook, and so on, but you do not.
Combat Expertise is a really poor feat—even if you have it, most of the time it is the wrong choice to activate it. Quite simply, AC is a weak defense—most characters rely on non-AC defenses rather than waste the money it costs to keep AC relevant at mid-to-high levels. Meanwhile, attack bonus allows you to kill things, which is the greatest defense in the game—things cannot hurt you once they are dead. The only reason Combat Expertise gets taken at all is because of the feats that require it—and even once you have it, it’s rarely a good choice to use it.
Therefore, “flipping” Combat Expertise is not balanced—inverting an unreasonably bad trade becomes an unreasonably good one.
answered 3 hours ago
KRyan
216k28539929
answered 3 hours ago
KRyan
216k28539929
answered 3 hours ago
KRyan
216k28539929
answered 3 hours ago
KRyan
216k28539929
216k28539929
@Miniman Eh, that’s only “close” if you were specifically imagining this feat being paired with Power Attack to mitigate the attack penalties of Power Attack. Which I agree, is the most obvious use for such a feat (and probably one of the best ones), but it isn’t necessarily related.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
War Story: I had a PC in a recent short E6 campaign that used Combat Expertise to some good effect—in conjunction with the feat Stone Power—, after he drew aggro using the feat Master of Mockery. Combined with a broadblade shortsword, 5 ranks in Tumble, and a special ability that increased his Combat Expertise's effect by 50%, it wasn't terrible, he contributed, and other folks still got to play. To be fair, though, the foes were just dudes with bows and not casters.
– Hey I Can Chan
1 hour ago
@HeyICanChan Yeah, E6 helps Combat Expertise where the cost is lower and the alternative options for defenses more limited. I’ve been considering it in my E6 tank... but still have found better things to do with my feats so far. Thanks for the reminder of Master of Mockery, though; that could prove useful.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
add a comment |
@Miniman Eh, that’s only “close” if you were specifically imagining this feat being paired with Power Attack to mitigate the attack penalties of Power Attack. Which I agree, is the most obvious use for such a feat (and probably one of the best ones), but it isn’t necessarily related.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
War Story: I had a PC in a recent short E6 campaign that used Combat Expertise to some good effect—in conjunction with the feat Stone Power—, after he drew aggro using the feat Master of Mockery. Combined with a broadblade shortsword, 5 ranks in Tumble, and a special ability that increased his Combat Expertise's effect by 50%, it wasn't terrible, he contributed, and other folks still got to play. To be fair, though, the foes were just dudes with bows and not casters.
– Hey I Can Chan
1 hour ago
@HeyICanChan Yeah, E6 helps Combat Expertise where the cost is lower and the alternative options for defenses more limited. I’ve been considering it in my E6 tank... but still have found better things to do with my feats so far. Thanks for the reminder of Master of Mockery, though; that could prove useful.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
@Miniman Eh, that’s only “close” if you were specifically imagining this feat being paired with Power Attack to mitigate the attack penalties of Power Attack. Which I agree, is the most obvious use for such a feat (and probably one of the best ones), but it isn’t necessarily related.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
@Miniman Eh, that’s only “close” if you were specifically imagining this feat being paired with Power Attack to mitigate the attack penalties of Power Attack. Which I agree, is the most obvious use for such a feat (and probably one of the best ones), but it isn’t necessarily related.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
War Story: I had a PC in a recent short E6 campaign that used Combat Expertise to some good effect—in conjunction with the feat Stone Power—, after he drew aggro using the feat Master of Mockery. Combined with a broadblade shortsword, 5 ranks in Tumble, and a special ability that increased his Combat Expertise's effect by 50%, it wasn't terrible, he contributed, and other folks still got to play. To be fair, though, the foes were just dudes with bows and not casters.
– Hey I Can Chan
1 hour ago
War Story: I had a PC in a recent short E6 campaign that used Combat Expertise to some good effect—in conjunction with the feat Stone Power—, after he drew aggro using the feat Master of Mockery. Combined with a broadblade shortsword, 5 ranks in Tumble, and a special ability that increased his Combat Expertise's effect by 50%, it wasn't terrible, he contributed, and other folks still got to play. To be fair, though, the foes were just dudes with bows and not casters.
– Hey I Can Chan
1 hour ago
@HeyICanChan Yeah, E6 helps Combat Expertise where the cost is lower and the alternative options for defenses more limited. I’ve been considering it in my E6 tank... but still have found better things to do with my feats so far. Thanks for the reminder of Master of Mockery, though; that could prove useful.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
@HeyICanChan Yeah, E6 helps Combat Expertise where the cost is lower and the alternative options for defenses more limited. I’ve been considering it in my E6 tank... but still have found better things to do with my feats so far. Thanks for the reminder of Master of Mockery, though; that could prove useful.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
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It's not really a feat but more of an action you can choose in combat. If you use the charge attack (https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Charge) and move at least 10ft and have an unobstructed path to your target you can move up to double your movement speed and make a single attack that gains +2 to the attack roll but suffer -2 to AC until your next turn. I used to do that with my half orc barbarian to guarantee a hit on the first attack.
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It's not really a feat but more of an action you can choose in combat. If you use the charge attack (https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Charge) and move at least 10ft and have an unobstructed path to your target you can move up to double your movement speed and make a single attack that gains +2 to the attack roll but suffer -2 to AC until your next turn. I used to do that with my half orc barbarian to guarantee a hit on the first attack.
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It's not really a feat but more of an action you can choose in combat. If you use the charge attack (https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Charge) and move at least 10ft and have an unobstructed path to your target you can move up to double your movement speed and make a single attack that gains +2 to the attack roll but suffer -2 to AC until your next turn. I used to do that with my half orc barbarian to guarantee a hit on the first attack.
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It's not really a feat but more of an action you can choose in combat. If you use the charge attack (https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Charge) and move at least 10ft and have an unobstructed path to your target you can move up to double your movement speed and make a single attack that gains +2 to the attack roll but suffer -2 to AC until your next turn. I used to do that with my half orc barbarian to guarantee a hit on the first attack.
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