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I currently have a position at a software company, company A.



I am finishing my degree this year and am going to be working on a project with an industry partner, company B. This would be unpaid, for the degree. I have told my current management that I needed the day off for university study.



How should I deal with the possibility of getting a job offer at B? I would still only work there 2 days per week and I wouldn't want anything to happen in the meantime whilst I have the job and the workplace position.



Should I be telling company A that I'm doing the work placement, given that I'm working there less to account for the placement, or should I say nothing?



edit: Have let company A know that the day off is for a work placement, explained necessary for degree and they're understanding and comfortable with it. Stanley's answer is good and nails the crux of the problem. Thankfully the projects are totally unrelated, one is business software and the other is AI.










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    Ah, meaning that I can't do my university work placement at my current company, and I have to do it at another

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    2 days ago






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    Just clarifying to make sure I understand the situation - you are currently employed at Company A full-time and finishing your degree. Part of your degree involves you doing an unpaid project with Company B. You are concerned with backlash at Company A in case Company B gives you a job offer?

    – David K
    2 days ago











  • You also say your current company doesn't do this industry partnership with the university. Would it be possible to try and start one, or is it too late for that?

    – David K
    2 days ago






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    I think the question needs a lot of clarification. I can't make head nor tail of which company is which, what the current work pattern is, who the new job is with, whether you already have it and they're ok with 1 day off...

    – Smock
    2 days ago











  • Welcome to The Workplace. This question is difficult to understand. Could you use company A and company B to differentiate the two companies you're working for. Could you clarify the restrictions of your work placement?

    – jcmack
    2 days ago
















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I currently have a position at a software company, company A.



I am finishing my degree this year and am going to be working on a project with an industry partner, company B. This would be unpaid, for the degree. I have told my current management that I needed the day off for university study.



How should I deal with the possibility of getting a job offer at B? I would still only work there 2 days per week and I wouldn't want anything to happen in the meantime whilst I have the job and the workplace position.



Should I be telling company A that I'm doing the work placement, given that I'm working there less to account for the placement, or should I say nothing?



edit: Have let company A know that the day off is for a work placement, explained necessary for degree and they're understanding and comfortable with it. Stanley's answer is good and nails the crux of the problem. Thankfully the projects are totally unrelated, one is business software and the other is AI.










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    Ah, meaning that I can't do my university work placement at my current company, and I have to do it at another

    – Ben Palmer
    2 days ago






  • 3





    Just clarifying to make sure I understand the situation - you are currently employed at Company A full-time and finishing your degree. Part of your degree involves you doing an unpaid project with Company B. You are concerned with backlash at Company A in case Company B gives you a job offer?

    – David K
    2 days ago











  • You also say your current company doesn't do this industry partnership with the university. Would it be possible to try and start one, or is it too late for that?

    – David K
    2 days ago






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    I think the question needs a lot of clarification. I can't make head nor tail of which company is which, what the current work pattern is, who the new job is with, whether you already have it and they're ok with 1 day off...

    – Smock
    2 days ago











  • Welcome to The Workplace. This question is difficult to understand. Could you use company A and company B to differentiate the two companies you're working for. Could you clarify the restrictions of your work placement?

    – jcmack
    2 days ago














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I currently have a position at a software company, company A.



I am finishing my degree this year and am going to be working on a project with an industry partner, company B. This would be unpaid, for the degree. I have told my current management that I needed the day off for university study.



How should I deal with the possibility of getting a job offer at B? I would still only work there 2 days per week and I wouldn't want anything to happen in the meantime whilst I have the job and the workplace position.



Should I be telling company A that I'm doing the work placement, given that I'm working there less to account for the placement, or should I say nothing?



edit: Have let company A know that the day off is for a work placement, explained necessary for degree and they're understanding and comfortable with it. Stanley's answer is good and nails the crux of the problem. Thankfully the projects are totally unrelated, one is business software and the other is AI.










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I currently have a position at a software company, company A.



I am finishing my degree this year and am going to be working on a project with an industry partner, company B. This would be unpaid, for the degree. I have told my current management that I needed the day off for university study.



How should I deal with the possibility of getting a job offer at B? I would still only work there 2 days per week and I wouldn't want anything to happen in the meantime whilst I have the job and the workplace position.



Should I be telling company A that I'm doing the work placement, given that I'm working there less to account for the placement, or should I say nothing?



edit: Have let company A know that the day off is for a work placement, explained necessary for degree and they're understanding and comfortable with it. Stanley's answer is good and nails the crux of the problem. Thankfully the projects are totally unrelated, one is business software and the other is AI.







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  • 1





    Ah, meaning that I can't do my university work placement at my current company, and I have to do it at another

    – Ben Palmer
    2 days ago






  • 3





    Just clarifying to make sure I understand the situation - you are currently employed at Company A full-time and finishing your degree. Part of your degree involves you doing an unpaid project with Company B. You are concerned with backlash at Company A in case Company B gives you a job offer?

    – David K
    2 days ago











  • You also say your current company doesn't do this industry partnership with the university. Would it be possible to try and start one, or is it too late for that?

    – David K
    2 days ago






  • 2





    I think the question needs a lot of clarification. I can't make head nor tail of which company is which, what the current work pattern is, who the new job is with, whether you already have it and they're ok with 1 day off...

    – Smock
    2 days ago











  • Welcome to The Workplace. This question is difficult to understand. Could you use company A and company B to differentiate the two companies you're working for. Could you clarify the restrictions of your work placement?

    – jcmack
    2 days ago














  • 1





    Ah, meaning that I can't do my university work placement at my current company, and I have to do it at another

    – Ben Palmer
    2 days ago






  • 3





    Just clarifying to make sure I understand the situation - you are currently employed at Company A full-time and finishing your degree. Part of your degree involves you doing an unpaid project with Company B. You are concerned with backlash at Company A in case Company B gives you a job offer?

    – David K
    2 days ago











  • You also say your current company doesn't do this industry partnership with the university. Would it be possible to try and start one, or is it too late for that?

    – David K
    2 days ago






  • 2





    I think the question needs a lot of clarification. I can't make head nor tail of which company is which, what the current work pattern is, who the new job is with, whether you already have it and they're ok with 1 day off...

    – Smock
    2 days ago











  • Welcome to The Workplace. This question is difficult to understand. Could you use company A and company B to differentiate the two companies you're working for. Could you clarify the restrictions of your work placement?

    – jcmack
    2 days ago








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Ah, meaning that I can't do my university work placement at my current company, and I have to do it at another

– Ben Palmer
2 days ago





Ah, meaning that I can't do my university work placement at my current company, and I have to do it at another

– Ben Palmer
2 days ago




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Just clarifying to make sure I understand the situation - you are currently employed at Company A full-time and finishing your degree. Part of your degree involves you doing an unpaid project with Company B. You are concerned with backlash at Company A in case Company B gives you a job offer?

– David K
2 days ago





Just clarifying to make sure I understand the situation - you are currently employed at Company A full-time and finishing your degree. Part of your degree involves you doing an unpaid project with Company B. You are concerned with backlash at Company A in case Company B gives you a job offer?

– David K
2 days ago













You also say your current company doesn't do this industry partnership with the university. Would it be possible to try and start one, or is it too late for that?

– David K
2 days ago





You also say your current company doesn't do this industry partnership with the university. Would it be possible to try and start one, or is it too late for that?

– David K
2 days ago




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I think the question needs a lot of clarification. I can't make head nor tail of which company is which, what the current work pattern is, who the new job is with, whether you already have it and they're ok with 1 day off...

– Smock
2 days ago





I think the question needs a lot of clarification. I can't make head nor tail of which company is which, what the current work pattern is, who the new job is with, whether you already have it and they're ok with 1 day off...

– Smock
2 days ago













Welcome to The Workplace. This question is difficult to understand. Could you use company A and company B to differentiate the two companies you're working for. Could you clarify the restrictions of your work placement?

– jcmack
2 days ago





Welcome to The Workplace. This question is difficult to understand. Could you use company A and company B to differentiate the two companies you're working for. Could you clarify the restrictions of your work placement?

– jcmack
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The number one thing you need to consider when working two jobs in the same field is conflict of interest. The ultimate answer to your question is: if you don't know whether there is a conflict of interest, you need to ask your manager at both employers. Now, for the juicy bits!



To determine for yourself if your dual employment represents a conflict of interest, ask yourself the following questions:




  • What software will I be working on with the two different companies? If the software has the same or very similar feature sets, then you have a definite conflict of interest, since you know what each company is doing, and can tell the other employer at any point.

  • Do the two companies that I'm working for consider each other to be competitors? If the companies see each other as competitors, you definitely have a conflict of interest, even if the different employers have you working on completely different projects. If you aren't sure if the companies are competing against each other, look at each company's mission statement, if it's available. You should be able to find this on the company's public facing website in their "About Us" section.

  • What unique skills did I have that caused each of the companies to hire me? Holding an undergraduate degree in computer science is not a unique skill. Holding a higher degree, while possibly more rare, also isn't a unique skill. However, if both companies hired you because you excelled in courses related to Computer Graphics (as an example), then that would be a unique skill, and could possibly be a conflict of interest, even if the two above points are not.


Another important concept that people sometimes can't "get on board with" regarding conflict of interest is the accusatory nature of it. "I'm a good person. I would never..." Understand that conflict of interest isn't about you, and whether you would do it, but more that you could do it, and to prevent that from happening, you could end up losing both positions. Not only could you lose both positions, but you also risk civil complaints and legal action.



Finally, and this is a bit on a bird walk from the original question, but it's tangential and you may want to know: You must also consider conflict of interest while working on your own, personal projects. If you are working on something that would improve upon the some task that your current employer is doing, and you further have even a fantasy about commercializing your project, then you have an extreme conflict of interest, and you need to inform your employer about your project, or stop working on it.



Software Development in the current era is at the crux of almost everything. "Ubiquitous" is an underwhelming description, honestly. As software developers, engineers, or other "STEAM" field employees, we need to take extreme caution with conflict of interest, because the average person isn't going to be merciful if our employers determine that a conflict exists.



Good luck and Godspeed!






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  • Thank you for this feedback and going to the trouble of thinking of the possibilities I might face here - even if my question was reportedly confusing, but you understood it. I guess that was question I should have been asking. Thankfully I see no conflict of interest, and had a discussion with my course coordinator at uni to confirm the opinion - the projects are totally unrelated. I've let my actual manager know that I'm doing a specific work placement once a week as required for my degree so that it doesn't come up accidentally! Thanks

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The number one thing you need to consider when working two jobs in the same field is conflict of interest. The ultimate answer to your question is: if you don't know whether there is a conflict of interest, you need to ask your manager at both employers. Now, for the juicy bits!



To determine for yourself if your dual employment represents a conflict of interest, ask yourself the following questions:




  • What software will I be working on with the two different companies? If the software has the same or very similar feature sets, then you have a definite conflict of interest, since you know what each company is doing, and can tell the other employer at any point.

  • Do the two companies that I'm working for consider each other to be competitors? If the companies see each other as competitors, you definitely have a conflict of interest, even if the different employers have you working on completely different projects. If you aren't sure if the companies are competing against each other, look at each company's mission statement, if it's available. You should be able to find this on the company's public facing website in their "About Us" section.

  • What unique skills did I have that caused each of the companies to hire me? Holding an undergraduate degree in computer science is not a unique skill. Holding a higher degree, while possibly more rare, also isn't a unique skill. However, if both companies hired you because you excelled in courses related to Computer Graphics (as an example), then that would be a unique skill, and could possibly be a conflict of interest, even if the two above points are not.


Another important concept that people sometimes can't "get on board with" regarding conflict of interest is the accusatory nature of it. "I'm a good person. I would never..." Understand that conflict of interest isn't about you, and whether you would do it, but more that you could do it, and to prevent that from happening, you could end up losing both positions. Not only could you lose both positions, but you also risk civil complaints and legal action.



Finally, and this is a bit on a bird walk from the original question, but it's tangential and you may want to know: You must also consider conflict of interest while working on your own, personal projects. If you are working on something that would improve upon the some task that your current employer is doing, and you further have even a fantasy about commercializing your project, then you have an extreme conflict of interest, and you need to inform your employer about your project, or stop working on it.



Software Development in the current era is at the crux of almost everything. "Ubiquitous" is an underwhelming description, honestly. As software developers, engineers, or other "STEAM" field employees, we need to take extreme caution with conflict of interest, because the average person isn't going to be merciful if our employers determine that a conflict exists.



Good luck and Godspeed!






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  • Thank you for this feedback and going to the trouble of thinking of the possibilities I might face here - even if my question was reportedly confusing, but you understood it. I guess that was question I should have been asking. Thankfully I see no conflict of interest, and had a discussion with my course coordinator at uni to confirm the opinion - the projects are totally unrelated. I've let my actual manager know that I'm doing a specific work placement once a week as required for my degree so that it doesn't come up accidentally! Thanks

    – Ben Palmer
    32 mins ago


















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The number one thing you need to consider when working two jobs in the same field is conflict of interest. The ultimate answer to your question is: if you don't know whether there is a conflict of interest, you need to ask your manager at both employers. Now, for the juicy bits!



To determine for yourself if your dual employment represents a conflict of interest, ask yourself the following questions:




  • What software will I be working on with the two different companies? If the software has the same or very similar feature sets, then you have a definite conflict of interest, since you know what each company is doing, and can tell the other employer at any point.

  • Do the two companies that I'm working for consider each other to be competitors? If the companies see each other as competitors, you definitely have a conflict of interest, even if the different employers have you working on completely different projects. If you aren't sure if the companies are competing against each other, look at each company's mission statement, if it's available. You should be able to find this on the company's public facing website in their "About Us" section.

  • What unique skills did I have that caused each of the companies to hire me? Holding an undergraduate degree in computer science is not a unique skill. Holding a higher degree, while possibly more rare, also isn't a unique skill. However, if both companies hired you because you excelled in courses related to Computer Graphics (as an example), then that would be a unique skill, and could possibly be a conflict of interest, even if the two above points are not.


Another important concept that people sometimes can't "get on board with" regarding conflict of interest is the accusatory nature of it. "I'm a good person. I would never..." Understand that conflict of interest isn't about you, and whether you would do it, but more that you could do it, and to prevent that from happening, you could end up losing both positions. Not only could you lose both positions, but you also risk civil complaints and legal action.



Finally, and this is a bit on a bird walk from the original question, but it's tangential and you may want to know: You must also consider conflict of interest while working on your own, personal projects. If you are working on something that would improve upon the some task that your current employer is doing, and you further have even a fantasy about commercializing your project, then you have an extreme conflict of interest, and you need to inform your employer about your project, or stop working on it.



Software Development in the current era is at the crux of almost everything. "Ubiquitous" is an underwhelming description, honestly. As software developers, engineers, or other "STEAM" field employees, we need to take extreme caution with conflict of interest, because the average person isn't going to be merciful if our employers determine that a conflict exists.



Good luck and Godspeed!






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  • Thank you for this feedback and going to the trouble of thinking of the possibilities I might face here - even if my question was reportedly confusing, but you understood it. I guess that was question I should have been asking. Thankfully I see no conflict of interest, and had a discussion with my course coordinator at uni to confirm the opinion - the projects are totally unrelated. I've let my actual manager know that I'm doing a specific work placement once a week as required for my degree so that it doesn't come up accidentally! Thanks

    – Ben Palmer
    32 mins ago
















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The number one thing you need to consider when working two jobs in the same field is conflict of interest. The ultimate answer to your question is: if you don't know whether there is a conflict of interest, you need to ask your manager at both employers. Now, for the juicy bits!



To determine for yourself if your dual employment represents a conflict of interest, ask yourself the following questions:




  • What software will I be working on with the two different companies? If the software has the same or very similar feature sets, then you have a definite conflict of interest, since you know what each company is doing, and can tell the other employer at any point.

  • Do the two companies that I'm working for consider each other to be competitors? If the companies see each other as competitors, you definitely have a conflict of interest, even if the different employers have you working on completely different projects. If you aren't sure if the companies are competing against each other, look at each company's mission statement, if it's available. You should be able to find this on the company's public facing website in their "About Us" section.

  • What unique skills did I have that caused each of the companies to hire me? Holding an undergraduate degree in computer science is not a unique skill. Holding a higher degree, while possibly more rare, also isn't a unique skill. However, if both companies hired you because you excelled in courses related to Computer Graphics (as an example), then that would be a unique skill, and could possibly be a conflict of interest, even if the two above points are not.


Another important concept that people sometimes can't "get on board with" regarding conflict of interest is the accusatory nature of it. "I'm a good person. I would never..." Understand that conflict of interest isn't about you, and whether you would do it, but more that you could do it, and to prevent that from happening, you could end up losing both positions. Not only could you lose both positions, but you also risk civil complaints and legal action.



Finally, and this is a bit on a bird walk from the original question, but it's tangential and you may want to know: You must also consider conflict of interest while working on your own, personal projects. If you are working on something that would improve upon the some task that your current employer is doing, and you further have even a fantasy about commercializing your project, then you have an extreme conflict of interest, and you need to inform your employer about your project, or stop working on it.



Software Development in the current era is at the crux of almost everything. "Ubiquitous" is an underwhelming description, honestly. As software developers, engineers, or other "STEAM" field employees, we need to take extreme caution with conflict of interest, because the average person isn't going to be merciful if our employers determine that a conflict exists.



Good luck and Godspeed!






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The number one thing you need to consider when working two jobs in the same field is conflict of interest. The ultimate answer to your question is: if you don't know whether there is a conflict of interest, you need to ask your manager at both employers. Now, for the juicy bits!



To determine for yourself if your dual employment represents a conflict of interest, ask yourself the following questions:




  • What software will I be working on with the two different companies? If the software has the same or very similar feature sets, then you have a definite conflict of interest, since you know what each company is doing, and can tell the other employer at any point.

  • Do the two companies that I'm working for consider each other to be competitors? If the companies see each other as competitors, you definitely have a conflict of interest, even if the different employers have you working on completely different projects. If you aren't sure if the companies are competing against each other, look at each company's mission statement, if it's available. You should be able to find this on the company's public facing website in their "About Us" section.

  • What unique skills did I have that caused each of the companies to hire me? Holding an undergraduate degree in computer science is not a unique skill. Holding a higher degree, while possibly more rare, also isn't a unique skill. However, if both companies hired you because you excelled in courses related to Computer Graphics (as an example), then that would be a unique skill, and could possibly be a conflict of interest, even if the two above points are not.


Another important concept that people sometimes can't "get on board with" regarding conflict of interest is the accusatory nature of it. "I'm a good person. I would never..." Understand that conflict of interest isn't about you, and whether you would do it, but more that you could do it, and to prevent that from happening, you could end up losing both positions. Not only could you lose both positions, but you also risk civil complaints and legal action.



Finally, and this is a bit on a bird walk from the original question, but it's tangential and you may want to know: You must also consider conflict of interest while working on your own, personal projects. If you are working on something that would improve upon the some task that your current employer is doing, and you further have even a fantasy about commercializing your project, then you have an extreme conflict of interest, and you need to inform your employer about your project, or stop working on it.



Software Development in the current era is at the crux of almost everything. "Ubiquitous" is an underwhelming description, honestly. As software developers, engineers, or other "STEAM" field employees, we need to take extreme caution with conflict of interest, because the average person isn't going to be merciful if our employers determine that a conflict exists.



Good luck and Godspeed!







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  • Thank you for this feedback and going to the trouble of thinking of the possibilities I might face here - even if my question was reportedly confusing, but you understood it. I guess that was question I should have been asking. Thankfully I see no conflict of interest, and had a discussion with my course coordinator at uni to confirm the opinion - the projects are totally unrelated. I've let my actual manager know that I'm doing a specific work placement once a week as required for my degree so that it doesn't come up accidentally! Thanks

    – Ben Palmer
    32 mins ago





















  • Thank you for this feedback and going to the trouble of thinking of the possibilities I might face here - even if my question was reportedly confusing, but you understood it. I guess that was question I should have been asking. Thankfully I see no conflict of interest, and had a discussion with my course coordinator at uni to confirm the opinion - the projects are totally unrelated. I've let my actual manager know that I'm doing a specific work placement once a week as required for my degree so that it doesn't come up accidentally! Thanks

    – Ben Palmer
    32 mins ago



















Thank you for this feedback and going to the trouble of thinking of the possibilities I might face here - even if my question was reportedly confusing, but you understood it. I guess that was question I should have been asking. Thankfully I see no conflict of interest, and had a discussion with my course coordinator at uni to confirm the opinion - the projects are totally unrelated. I've let my actual manager know that I'm doing a specific work placement once a week as required for my degree so that it doesn't come up accidentally! Thanks

– Ben Palmer
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Thank you for this feedback and going to the trouble of thinking of the possibilities I might face here - even if my question was reportedly confusing, but you understood it. I guess that was question I should have been asking. Thankfully I see no conflict of interest, and had a discussion with my course coordinator at uni to confirm the opinion - the projects are totally unrelated. I've let my actual manager know that I'm doing a specific work placement once a week as required for my degree so that it doesn't come up accidentally! Thanks

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