Appropriate use of leverage
I've been job hunting for a few weeks since getting stuck with a strange VP and being mislead with salary changes. I have a few offers that are starting to show up, but in the middle of all my interviewing, my Team Lead quit and I have been offered his job in six months (if I want it) by the CTO. The pay would be significant (38% raise), I think I could tolerate managing a few people, and my family is understanding about the higher workload.
Context:
- I think the "in six months" clause is meant to suggest that I'm almost skilled enough for that position. (e.g. I need to learn a few more things about our software to be a fully skilled Lead, etc.) - this is understandable, but I'm less understanding because of the next point.
- Last year, after four or five meetings with the CTO, he promised me an 18% raise and ended up giving me a 10% raise last month, as if he forgot or ignored the multiple references to the higher figure. I told him I needed a raise to stay where I was living, but that if he couldn't give me that much, that I would just move to a cheaper house, no big deal. Now I'm stuck renting a less affordable place when I should be saving for buying a house.
Because I don't fully trust my company as much after this issue, I'm wondering if I am justified in doing the following:
Collecting all my offers and showing them to the CTO
Telling him that he can make me a Lead now, with the full pay raise or I will leave in two weeks
If he denies me, I will just go and work elsewhere
If I decide not to go forward with this plan, and they end up revoking the Lead position from me, I will have passed on a handful of comparable offers and will need to start the interview process all over again.
Is this a petty or overemotional reaction? I need some outside perspective on this issue to know the potential pitfalls.
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I've been job hunting for a few weeks since getting stuck with a strange VP and being mislead with salary changes. I have a few offers that are starting to show up, but in the middle of all my interviewing, my Team Lead quit and I have been offered his job in six months (if I want it) by the CTO. The pay would be significant (38% raise), I think I could tolerate managing a few people, and my family is understanding about the higher workload.
Context:
- I think the "in six months" clause is meant to suggest that I'm almost skilled enough for that position. (e.g. I need to learn a few more things about our software to be a fully skilled Lead, etc.) - this is understandable, but I'm less understanding because of the next point.
- Last year, after four or five meetings with the CTO, he promised me an 18% raise and ended up giving me a 10% raise last month, as if he forgot or ignored the multiple references to the higher figure. I told him I needed a raise to stay where I was living, but that if he couldn't give me that much, that I would just move to a cheaper house, no big deal. Now I'm stuck renting a less affordable place when I should be saving for buying a house.
Because I don't fully trust my company as much after this issue, I'm wondering if I am justified in doing the following:
Collecting all my offers and showing them to the CTO
Telling him that he can make me a Lead now, with the full pay raise or I will leave in two weeks
If he denies me, I will just go and work elsewhere
If I decide not to go forward with this plan, and they end up revoking the Lead position from me, I will have passed on a handful of comparable offers and will need to start the interview process all over again.
Is this a petty or overemotional reaction? I need some outside perspective on this issue to know the potential pitfalls.
salary promotion
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Possible duplicate of How to give a polite ultimatum?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
Related: Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
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I've been job hunting for a few weeks since getting stuck with a strange VP and being mislead with salary changes. I have a few offers that are starting to show up, but in the middle of all my interviewing, my Team Lead quit and I have been offered his job in six months (if I want it) by the CTO. The pay would be significant (38% raise), I think I could tolerate managing a few people, and my family is understanding about the higher workload.
Context:
- I think the "in six months" clause is meant to suggest that I'm almost skilled enough for that position. (e.g. I need to learn a few more things about our software to be a fully skilled Lead, etc.) - this is understandable, but I'm less understanding because of the next point.
- Last year, after four or five meetings with the CTO, he promised me an 18% raise and ended up giving me a 10% raise last month, as if he forgot or ignored the multiple references to the higher figure. I told him I needed a raise to stay where I was living, but that if he couldn't give me that much, that I would just move to a cheaper house, no big deal. Now I'm stuck renting a less affordable place when I should be saving for buying a house.
Because I don't fully trust my company as much after this issue, I'm wondering if I am justified in doing the following:
Collecting all my offers and showing them to the CTO
Telling him that he can make me a Lead now, with the full pay raise or I will leave in two weeks
If he denies me, I will just go and work elsewhere
If I decide not to go forward with this plan, and they end up revoking the Lead position from me, I will have passed on a handful of comparable offers and will need to start the interview process all over again.
Is this a petty or overemotional reaction? I need some outside perspective on this issue to know the potential pitfalls.
salary promotion
I've been job hunting for a few weeks since getting stuck with a strange VP and being mislead with salary changes. I have a few offers that are starting to show up, but in the middle of all my interviewing, my Team Lead quit and I have been offered his job in six months (if I want it) by the CTO. The pay would be significant (38% raise), I think I could tolerate managing a few people, and my family is understanding about the higher workload.
Context:
- I think the "in six months" clause is meant to suggest that I'm almost skilled enough for that position. (e.g. I need to learn a few more things about our software to be a fully skilled Lead, etc.) - this is understandable, but I'm less understanding because of the next point.
- Last year, after four or five meetings with the CTO, he promised me an 18% raise and ended up giving me a 10% raise last month, as if he forgot or ignored the multiple references to the higher figure. I told him I needed a raise to stay where I was living, but that if he couldn't give me that much, that I would just move to a cheaper house, no big deal. Now I'm stuck renting a less affordable place when I should be saving for buying a house.
Because I don't fully trust my company as much after this issue, I'm wondering if I am justified in doing the following:
Collecting all my offers and showing them to the CTO
Telling him that he can make me a Lead now, with the full pay raise or I will leave in two weeks
If he denies me, I will just go and work elsewhere
If I decide not to go forward with this plan, and they end up revoking the Lead position from me, I will have passed on a handful of comparable offers and will need to start the interview process all over again.
Is this a petty or overemotional reaction? I need some outside perspective on this issue to know the potential pitfalls.
salary promotion
salary promotion
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Possible duplicate of How to give a polite ultimatum?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
Related: Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Possible duplicate of How to give a polite ultimatum?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
Related: Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
1
1
Possible duplicate of How to give a polite ultimatum?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
Possible duplicate of How to give a polite ultimatum?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
Related: Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
Related: Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
– Dukeling
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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If you don't trust management enough to take their word, why would you trust them that the position and raise you're being offered will remain stable six months from now? If you come across as emotional and demanding, they will probably do whatever it takes to settle the situation down in the short-term only to remove you as soon as they've found a more reliable replacement.
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They've already failed to live up to past promises.
If they're offering you this job, it makes no sense for them to wait 6 months. Something doesn't "smell right" to me.
You have no idea what may happen in the next 6 months. They might just as well find someone else for this position in that time.
Their past history doesn't bode well for them following through and making good on what they've told you.
If you like this company and want to stay then have a serious conversation about it and make sure to get verbal and written commitments for both the position and the salary.
Leverage, by it's very definition, is the application or exertion of force. You want to force them to do something that you want them to do, which they've shown you by their actions they're resistant to. This can't end well for you or them. If you're going to leave, then leave. Don't play games. There's no point in playing a negotiating game with them.
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If you don't trust management enough to take their word, why would you trust them that the position and raise you're being offered will remain stable six months from now? If you come across as emotional and demanding, they will probably do whatever it takes to settle the situation down in the short-term only to remove you as soon as they've found a more reliable replacement.
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If you don't trust management enough to take their word, why would you trust them that the position and raise you're being offered will remain stable six months from now? If you come across as emotional and demanding, they will probably do whatever it takes to settle the situation down in the short-term only to remove you as soon as they've found a more reliable replacement.
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If you don't trust management enough to take their word, why would you trust them that the position and raise you're being offered will remain stable six months from now? If you come across as emotional and demanding, they will probably do whatever it takes to settle the situation down in the short-term only to remove you as soon as they've found a more reliable replacement.
If you don't trust management enough to take their word, why would you trust them that the position and raise you're being offered will remain stable six months from now? If you come across as emotional and demanding, they will probably do whatever it takes to settle the situation down in the short-term only to remove you as soon as they've found a more reliable replacement.
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They've already failed to live up to past promises.
If they're offering you this job, it makes no sense for them to wait 6 months. Something doesn't "smell right" to me.
You have no idea what may happen in the next 6 months. They might just as well find someone else for this position in that time.
Their past history doesn't bode well for them following through and making good on what they've told you.
If you like this company and want to stay then have a serious conversation about it and make sure to get verbal and written commitments for both the position and the salary.
Leverage, by it's very definition, is the application or exertion of force. You want to force them to do something that you want them to do, which they've shown you by their actions they're resistant to. This can't end well for you or them. If you're going to leave, then leave. Don't play games. There's no point in playing a negotiating game with them.
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They've already failed to live up to past promises.
If they're offering you this job, it makes no sense for them to wait 6 months. Something doesn't "smell right" to me.
You have no idea what may happen in the next 6 months. They might just as well find someone else for this position in that time.
Their past history doesn't bode well for them following through and making good on what they've told you.
If you like this company and want to stay then have a serious conversation about it and make sure to get verbal and written commitments for both the position and the salary.
Leverage, by it's very definition, is the application or exertion of force. You want to force them to do something that you want them to do, which they've shown you by their actions they're resistant to. This can't end well for you or them. If you're going to leave, then leave. Don't play games. There's no point in playing a negotiating game with them.
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They've already failed to live up to past promises.
If they're offering you this job, it makes no sense for them to wait 6 months. Something doesn't "smell right" to me.
You have no idea what may happen in the next 6 months. They might just as well find someone else for this position in that time.
Their past history doesn't bode well for them following through and making good on what they've told you.
If you like this company and want to stay then have a serious conversation about it and make sure to get verbal and written commitments for both the position and the salary.
Leverage, by it's very definition, is the application or exertion of force. You want to force them to do something that you want them to do, which they've shown you by their actions they're resistant to. This can't end well for you or them. If you're going to leave, then leave. Don't play games. There's no point in playing a negotiating game with them.
They've already failed to live up to past promises.
If they're offering you this job, it makes no sense for them to wait 6 months. Something doesn't "smell right" to me.
You have no idea what may happen in the next 6 months. They might just as well find someone else for this position in that time.
Their past history doesn't bode well for them following through and making good on what they've told you.
If you like this company and want to stay then have a serious conversation about it and make sure to get verbal and written commitments for both the position and the salary.
Leverage, by it's very definition, is the application or exertion of force. You want to force them to do something that you want them to do, which they've shown you by their actions they're resistant to. This can't end well for you or them. If you're going to leave, then leave. Don't play games. There's no point in playing a negotiating game with them.
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Possible duplicate of How to give a polite ultimatum?
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Related: Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
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