What is the general consensus on “Useless use of cat”?
When I pipe multiple unix commands such as grep, sed, tr etc. I tend to specify the input file that is being processed using cat. So something like cat file | grep ... | awk ... | sed ...
.
But recently after a couple of comments left on my answers indicating that this was a useless use of cat, I thought I would ask the question here.
I looked up the issue and came across Wikipedia's article on UUOC and The Useless Use of Cat Award and it seems to me that the arguments made are from the perspective of efficiency.
The closest question I came across here was this one: Is it wasteful to call cat? – but it's not quite what I'm asking.
I guess what the UUOC camp suggest is to use cmd1 args < file | cmd2 args | cmd3 ..
or if the command has an option to read from file then to pass in the file as an argument.
But to me cat file | cmd1 ... | cmd2
seems much easier to read and understand. I don't have to remember different ways of sending input files to different commands, and the process flows logically from left to right. First input, then the first process ... and so on.
Am I failing to understand what arguments are being made about the useless use of cat? I understand that if I'm running a cron job that runs every 2 seconds that does a lot of processing, then in that case cat might be wasteful. But otherwise what's the general consensus on the use of cat?
command-line unix pipe cat
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When I pipe multiple unix commands such as grep, sed, tr etc. I tend to specify the input file that is being processed using cat. So something like cat file | grep ... | awk ... | sed ...
.
But recently after a couple of comments left on my answers indicating that this was a useless use of cat, I thought I would ask the question here.
I looked up the issue and came across Wikipedia's article on UUOC and The Useless Use of Cat Award and it seems to me that the arguments made are from the perspective of efficiency.
The closest question I came across here was this one: Is it wasteful to call cat? – but it's not quite what I'm asking.
I guess what the UUOC camp suggest is to use cmd1 args < file | cmd2 args | cmd3 ..
or if the command has an option to read from file then to pass in the file as an argument.
But to me cat file | cmd1 ... | cmd2
seems much easier to read and understand. I don't have to remember different ways of sending input files to different commands, and the process flows logically from left to right. First input, then the first process ... and so on.
Am I failing to understand what arguments are being made about the useless use of cat? I understand that if I'm running a cron job that runs every 2 seconds that does a lot of processing, then in that case cat might be wasteful. But otherwise what's the general consensus on the use of cat?
command-line unix pipe cat
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I agree, here, the call to cat may be inefficient, but it makes the command much easier to understand and edit later, and (importantly, IMO) seperates each different command to having just one job, making the whole thing much easier to deal with.
– Phoshi
Aug 14 '11 at 18:20
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The general consensus is that there is no consensus.
– jwg
Sep 3 '15 at 13:22
2
This largely duplicates stackoverflow.com/questions/11710552/useless-use-of-cat (though it predates it).
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:26
Don't forget that< file cmd1 args | cmd2 args ...
works too... so your argument of "left to right" is void. I often use it for clarity - the order I showed can cause people to pause, which isn't good. With higher thread counts becoming the norm, this is becoming less of an issue IMO...
– Attie
Jan 10 at 14:07
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When I pipe multiple unix commands such as grep, sed, tr etc. I tend to specify the input file that is being processed using cat. So something like cat file | grep ... | awk ... | sed ...
.
But recently after a couple of comments left on my answers indicating that this was a useless use of cat, I thought I would ask the question here.
I looked up the issue and came across Wikipedia's article on UUOC and The Useless Use of Cat Award and it seems to me that the arguments made are from the perspective of efficiency.
The closest question I came across here was this one: Is it wasteful to call cat? – but it's not quite what I'm asking.
I guess what the UUOC camp suggest is to use cmd1 args < file | cmd2 args | cmd3 ..
or if the command has an option to read from file then to pass in the file as an argument.
But to me cat file | cmd1 ... | cmd2
seems much easier to read and understand. I don't have to remember different ways of sending input files to different commands, and the process flows logically from left to right. First input, then the first process ... and so on.
Am I failing to understand what arguments are being made about the useless use of cat? I understand that if I'm running a cron job that runs every 2 seconds that does a lot of processing, then in that case cat might be wasteful. But otherwise what's the general consensus on the use of cat?
command-line unix pipe cat
When I pipe multiple unix commands such as grep, sed, tr etc. I tend to specify the input file that is being processed using cat. So something like cat file | grep ... | awk ... | sed ...
.
But recently after a couple of comments left on my answers indicating that this was a useless use of cat, I thought I would ask the question here.
I looked up the issue and came across Wikipedia's article on UUOC and The Useless Use of Cat Award and it seems to me that the arguments made are from the perspective of efficiency.
The closest question I came across here was this one: Is it wasteful to call cat? – but it's not quite what I'm asking.
I guess what the UUOC camp suggest is to use cmd1 args < file | cmd2 args | cmd3 ..
or if the command has an option to read from file then to pass in the file as an argument.
But to me cat file | cmd1 ... | cmd2
seems much easier to read and understand. I don't have to remember different ways of sending input files to different commands, and the process flows logically from left to right. First input, then the first process ... and so on.
Am I failing to understand what arguments are being made about the useless use of cat? I understand that if I'm running a cron job that runs every 2 seconds that does a lot of processing, then in that case cat might be wasteful. But otherwise what's the general consensus on the use of cat?
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I agree, here, the call to cat may be inefficient, but it makes the command much easier to understand and edit later, and (importantly, IMO) seperates each different command to having just one job, making the whole thing much easier to deal with.
– Phoshi
Aug 14 '11 at 18:20
3
The general consensus is that there is no consensus.
– jwg
Sep 3 '15 at 13:22
2
This largely duplicates stackoverflow.com/questions/11710552/useless-use-of-cat (though it predates it).
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:26
Don't forget that< file cmd1 args | cmd2 args ...
works too... so your argument of "left to right" is void. I often use it for clarity - the order I showed can cause people to pause, which isn't good. With higher thread counts becoming the norm, this is becoming less of an issue IMO...
– Attie
Jan 10 at 14:07
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14
I agree, here, the call to cat may be inefficient, but it makes the command much easier to understand and edit later, and (importantly, IMO) seperates each different command to having just one job, making the whole thing much easier to deal with.
– Phoshi
Aug 14 '11 at 18:20
3
The general consensus is that there is no consensus.
– jwg
Sep 3 '15 at 13:22
2
This largely duplicates stackoverflow.com/questions/11710552/useless-use-of-cat (though it predates it).
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:26
Don't forget that< file cmd1 args | cmd2 args ...
works too... so your argument of "left to right" is void. I often use it for clarity - the order I showed can cause people to pause, which isn't good. With higher thread counts becoming the norm, this is becoming less of an issue IMO...
– Attie
Jan 10 at 14:07
14
14
I agree, here, the call to cat may be inefficient, but it makes the command much easier to understand and edit later, and (importantly, IMO) seperates each different command to having just one job, making the whole thing much easier to deal with.
– Phoshi
Aug 14 '11 at 18:20
I agree, here, the call to cat may be inefficient, but it makes the command much easier to understand and edit later, and (importantly, IMO) seperates each different command to having just one job, making the whole thing much easier to deal with.
– Phoshi
Aug 14 '11 at 18:20
3
3
The general consensus is that there is no consensus.
– jwg
Sep 3 '15 at 13:22
The general consensus is that there is no consensus.
– jwg
Sep 3 '15 at 13:22
2
2
This largely duplicates stackoverflow.com/questions/11710552/useless-use-of-cat (though it predates it).
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:26
This largely duplicates stackoverflow.com/questions/11710552/useless-use-of-cat (though it predates it).
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:26
Don't forget that
< file cmd1 args | cmd2 args ...
works too... so your argument of "left to right" is void. I often use it for clarity - the order I showed can cause people to pause, which isn't good. With higher thread counts becoming the norm, this is becoming less of an issue IMO...– Attie
Jan 10 at 14:07
Don't forget that
< file cmd1 args | cmd2 args ...
works too... so your argument of "left to right" is void. I often use it for clarity - the order I showed can cause people to pause, which isn't good. With higher thread counts becoming the norm, this is becoming less of an issue IMO...– Attie
Jan 10 at 14:07
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It's useless in the sense that using it like that doesn't accomplish anything the other, possibly more efficient options can't (i.e. producing proper results).
But cat
is way more powerful than just cat somefile
. Consult man cat
or read what I wrote in this answer. But if you absolutely positively only need the contents of a single file, you might get some performance advantage from not using cat
to get at the file contents.
Regarding readability, this depends on your personal tastes. I like cat
ing files into other commands for the same reason, especially if the performance aspects are negligible.
It also depends on what you're scripting. If it's your own shell and convenience methods for your desktop machine, nobody except you will care. If you stumble upon a case where the next tool in the chain would be better off being able to seek, and distribute this as a frequently used piece of software on some minimal Linux system on a low-performance router or similar device with real limits on processing ability, that's different. It always depends on the context.
Are the performance costs are negligible? In many cases they are: oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html
– Ole Tange
Aug 8 '14 at 18:25
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In every day command line use it's not really much different. You especially aren't going to notice any speed difference since the time on CPU avoided by not using cat
, your CPU is just going to be idle. Even if you're looping through hundreds or thousands (or even hundreds of thousands) of items in all practicality it's not going to make much difference, unless you're on a very loaded system (Load Average / N CPU > 1).
The where the rubber meets the road is about forming good habits and discouraging bad ones. To drag out a moldy cliché, the devil is in the details. And it's details like this that separate the mediocre from the great.
It's like while driving a car, why make a left turn when you can just make three rights instead? Of course you can, and it works perfectly. But if you understood the power of left turns then three rights just seems silly.
It's not about saving one file handle, 17k of RAM and 0.004 seconds of CPU time. It's about the entire philosophy of using UNIX. The "power of left turns" in my illustration isn't merely redirecting input, it's the UNIX philosophy. Fully grokking this will make you excel far better than those around you, and you will garner respect from those who do understand.
If you are thinking about turning left onto a 6-lane busy highway without a traffic light, then it may behoove you to consider turning right, or taking a different route. *nix gives you the choice of several routes. It is a matter of personal preference and readability. If you want to "cat file | cmd1 | cat | cmd2 |more", go ahead. (Sometimes that is useful if cmd1 paginates - cat will eliminate it.) $CPU time << $Brain time.
– MikeP
Aug 2 '16 at 21:27
@MikeP Thecat
will not eliminate any pagination, though piping to something might eliminate paging by some applications.
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:28
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I think the position being taken by some of those commenting on something being a UUOC is that if one really understands Unix and shell syntax, one would not use cat in that context. It's seen as like using poor grammar: I can write a sentence using poor grammar and still get my point across, but I also demonstrate my poor understanding of the language and by extension, my poor education. So saying that something is a UUOC is another way of saying someone doesn't understand what they're doing.
As far as efficiency goes, if you are executing a pipeline from the command line, it takes less time for the machine to execute cat somefile |
than it does for you to think about whether it might be more efficient to use < somefile
. It just doesn't matter.
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For quite a while I've known that there were other ways to expresscat somefile | prog
in shell without cat, likeprog < somefile
but they always seemed to be in the wrong order to me, particularly with a chain of commands piped together. Now I see that something as elegant as< somefile prog
does the trick, thank you. I have run out of the excuses I had left to use cat.
– Alex
Jun 20 '14 at 15:45
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I often use cat file | myprogram
in examples. Sometimes I am being accused of Useless use of cat (http://www.iki.fi/era/unix/award.html). I disagree for the following reasons:
It is easy to understand what is going on.
When reading a UNIX command you expect a command followed by
arguments followed by redirection. It is possible to put the
redirection anywhere but it is rarely seen - thus people will have a
harder time reading the example. I believe
cat foo | program1 -o option -b option | program2
is easier to read than
program1 -o option -b option < foo | program2
If you move the redirection to
the start you are confusing people who are not used to this syntax:
< foo program1 -o option -b option | program2
and examples should
be easy to understand.
It is easy to change.
If you know the program can read from cat, you can normally assume it can read the output from any program that outputs to STDOUT, and thus you can adapt it for your own needs and get predictable results.
It stresses that the program does not fail, if STDIN is not a file.
It is not safe to assume that if
program1 < foo
works thencat foo | program1
will also work. However, it is in practice safe to assume the opposite. This program works if STDIN is a file, but fails if the input is a pipe, because it uses seek:
# works
< foo perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
# fails
cat foo | perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
I have looked at the performance penalty on http://oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html The conclusion is don't use cat file |
if the complexity of the processing is similar to a simple grep and performance matters more than readability. For other situations cat file |
is fine.
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I was not aware of the award until today when some rookie tried to pin the UUOC on me for one of my answers. It was a cat file.txt | grep foo | cut ... | cut ...
. I gave him a piece of my mind, and only after doing so visited the link he gave me referring to the origins of the award and the practice of doing so. Further searching led me to this question. Somewhat unfortunately despite conscious consideration none of the answers included my rationale.
I did not meant to be defensive when educating him. After all, in my younger years I would have written the command as grep foo file.txt | cut ... | cut ...
because whenever you do the frequent single grep
s you learn the placement of the file argument and it is ready knowledge that the first is the pattern and the later ones are file names.
It was a conscious choice when I answered the question with the cat
prefix partly because of a reason of "good taste" (in the words of Linus Torvalds) but chiefly for a compelling reason of function.
The latter reason is more important so I will put it out first. When I offer a pipeline as a solution I expect it to be reusable. It is quite likely that a pipeline would be added at the end of or spliced into another pipeline. In that case having a file argument to grep screws up reusability, and quite possibly do so silently without an error message if the file argument exists. I. e. grep foo xyz | grep bar xyz | wc
will give you how many lines in xyz
contain bar
while you are expecting the number of lines that contain both foo
and bar
. Having to change arguments to a command in a pipeline before using it is prone to errors. Add to it the possibility of silent failures and it becomes a particularly insidious practice.
The former reason is not unimportant either since a lot of "good taste" merely is an intuitive subconscious rationale for things like the silent failures above that you cannot think of right at the moment when some person in need of education says "but isn't that cat useless".
However, I will try to also make conscious the former "good taste" reason I mentioned. That reason has to do with the orthogonal design spirit of Unix. grep
does not cut
and ls
does not grep
. Therefore at the very least grep foo file1 file2 file3
goes against the design spirit. The orthogonal way of doing it is cat file1 file2 file3 | grep foo
. Now, grep foo file1
is merely a special case of grep foo file1 file2 file3
, and if you do not treat it the same you are at least using up brain clock cycles trying to avoid the useless cat award.
That leads us to the argument that grep foo file1 file2 file3
is concatenating, and cat
concatenates so it is proper to cat file1 file2 file3
but because cat
is not concatenating in cat file1 | grep foo
therefore we are violating the spirit of both the cat
and the almighty Unix. Well, if that were the case then Unix would need a different command to read the output of one file and spit it to stdout (not paginate it or anything just a pure spit to stdout). So you would have the situation where you say cat file1 file2
or you say dog file1
and conscientiously remember to avoid cat file1
to avoid getting the award, while also avoiding dog file1 file2
since hopefully the design of dog
would throw an error if multiple files are specified.
Hopefully at this point you sympathize with the Unix designers for not including a separate command to spit a file to stdout, while also naming cat
for concatenate rather than giving it some other name. <edit>
there is such a dog, the unfortunate <
operator. It is unfortunate its placement at the end of the pipeline preventing easy composability. There is no syntactically or aesthetically clean way to place it at the beginning. It is also unfortunate in not being general enough so you start with the dog but simply add another filename if you also want it to be processed after the previous one. (The >
on the other hand is not half as bad. It has almost perfect placement at the end. It is typically not a reusable part of a pipeline, and accordingly it is distinguished symbolically.)</edit>
The next question is why is it important to have commands that merely spit a file or the concatenation of several files to stdout, without any further processing? One reason is to avoid having every single Unix command that operates on standard input to know how to parse at least one command line file argument and use it as input if it exists. The second reason is to avoid users having to remember: (a) where the filename arguments go; and (b) avoid the silent pipeline bug as mentioned above.
That brings us to why grep
does have the extra logic. The rationale is to allow user-fluency for commands that are used frequently and on a stand-alone basis (rather than as a pipeline). It is a slight compromise of orthogonality for a significant gain in usability. Not all commands should be designed this way and commands that are not frequently used should completely avoid the extra logic of file arguments (remember extra logic leads to unnecessary fragility (the possibility of a bug)). The exception is to allow file arguments like in the case of grep
. (by the way note that ls
has a completely different reason to not just accept but pretty much require file arguments)
Finally, what could have been done better is if such exceptional commands as grep
(but not necessarily ls
) generate an error if the standard input is available. This is reasonable because the commands include logic that violates the orthogonal spirit of the almighty Unix for user convenience. For further user convenience, i. e. for preventing the suffering caused by a silent failure, such commands should not hesitate to violate their own violation by alerting the user if there is a possibility of silent failure.
As discussed on the cross-site duplicate of this answer and question,grep pattern f1 f2 f3
is not simple concatenation.grep
knows about files, and prints filenames (and optionally line numbers, and whatever else).grep . /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/*
is a nice hack for printing filename: file-contents with lots of single-line files. The classic Unix design is that most utilities work on*.txt
without needingcat
.cat
is for flattening multiple files into one stream.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 25 '18 at 16:54
@PeterCordes I didn't write so much just about grep. There are substantive issues that I have observed regarding robustness to errors / copy-paste; correctness vs performance, that you have conveniently chose to ignore in favor of some petty/peripheral concern.
– randomstring
Mar 26 '18 at 22:39
You do make some interesting and valid points, especially about the errors you can get when copy/pasting pipelines. I'd suggest replace yourgrep
example with a program likecut
that doesn't have any reason to care about multiple files, and could always just be fed from its stdin. Some utilities, liketr
, don't accept file args at all, and only work as a filter, so the choice is betweencat
and<
.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 22:56
My biggest problem with your post is that you discount input redirection.<file cmd1 | cmd2 >out
is not wonderful, I admit, but it's totally possible to get used to it. You keep going on about "the spirit of the almighty Unix" in a mocking way, which totally falls flat for me because it sounds like you either don't get or don't want to get the way the Unix designers really did think. It's fine if you don't like the Unix design, but it's not inherently dumb. I'm not sure if the design of the OS predates shell syntax, and how it all evolved, but an extracat
in 1970 was worth avoiding!
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 23:03
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@PeterCordes In hindsight I was rather long-winded in my answer, which detracts from the most important point -- correctness first, optimization second. The extracat
helps reuse and splice pipelines, whereas without it you can get silent failures (search for "silently" in my answer).
– randomstring
Apr 8 '18 at 3:22
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What would be really nice is a shell that supports syntax like:
< filename cmd | cmd2 cmd2arg1... | cmd3
In the meantime, I think cat filename | realcmd1...
is acceptable, as it keeps the syntax standardised with initial commands that require the filename as an argument.
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Bash and similar shells support< filename cmd | cmd2 ...
. Is that close enough?
– garyjohn
Aug 14 '11 at 19:18
@garyjohn: I think you should post that as an answer.
– Kevin Reid
Aug 14 '11 at 19:41
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Obligatory old shell-hacker comment: Bourne-style shells have supported the< file command ...
since at least the mid-80s and probably as far back as the 70s when the originalsh
was written. More generally, i/o redirections are parsed left to right, and can be interspersed in any order within the command line. So,cmd <file arg arg...
would also be valid.
– Dale Hagglund
Aug 15 '11 at 2:28
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Yeah, it's partly because of how easy it is to type that that I invented the UUOC.
– Randal Schwartz
May 2 '13 at 2:48
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One shifted character vs. four unshifted isn't that big a difference, and I'd rather spawn an extra process, which even my phone barely notices, than pipe a file into my prompt, which gives me a headache every time I see it.
– Aaron Miller
Jun 20 '13 at 16:26
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For all who say cat is acceptable to use because it "smells" better or "is more readable" I would only say this:
To you maybe... but not to others who may read or try to understand your code.
If you will never ever try to instruct others with your examples or share your code, then by all means please use it at your own leisure.
I will also add this comment, as a long time Linux user and Admin/Engineer... (and there are many of us) it makes our eyes bleed to see this. Why? Because it uses resources on systems that we control resources tightly on. The cat command and the pipe itself use extra memory and file handles that are completely useless. You have tied up resources that my system needs free and you have gained NOTHING that can explain the usage of these resources. This is a huge no no.
Now I can sit here and debate things like code smell or readability all day with anyone, but at the end of the day it is a matter of write or wrong and any time you use resources on a system and gain nothing for it... it is wrong.
As a home user you can learn from my advice and learn better ways to do things or you can choose to be blinded by the "smell" of cats, your choice... but know that if you openly use this practice you will be called on this practice all the time and you will silently have to admit they are right and you are stubborn because it's true. :-)
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In defense of Useless Uses of Cat
(A few paragraph to help balance the tsunami of nagging comments against this practice)
I've been using bash for too many years both as a shell and as a scripting language for small scripts (and sometimes regretfully for not so small ones). A long-long time ago I've learned about the "Useless Use of Cat" (UUoC). I'm still guilty of it at least every week but frankly I rarely feel even a tiny bit compelled to avoid it. I believe that using cat
vs < file
is more about taste than technical differences and I wrote this answer to protect people new to Linux that share my taste for cat
from thinking that there's something seriously wrong about their way (and note the few occasions where there is). Like Linus Torvalds I also believe that often taste is more important than skill. That doesn't mean that my taste is better than yours but it does mean that if something tastes bad I will not do it without gaining something worthy.
It's already obvious that like the question author I feel that using cat is very natural when working on a REPL like bash where I'm exploring a problem by incrementally constructing complex commands. Here's a very typical example: I have a text file and don't know much about it. I will type cat file
to get a taste of the contents. If the output is too much I'll hit my up arrow and depending on the circumstances I'll add | head
or | grep foo
or | what_ever
extending my previous command by appending processing steps. This way of incrementally going from a simple command to a more complex one by adding one processing step after the other feels very natural to me (I'm doing the same on ipython and I love the way pyfunctional
and similar programming tools encompass this style). So when working on the bash shell I'm confident that interrupting my flow to remove the cat
is more useless than let it be and suffer ... well no consequence at all in 99.9% of the cases.
Of course when writing scripts things might change. But even when writing scripts it's my opinion that people who mock UUoC ignore this important lessons by a great mind: "Premature optimization is the root of all evil". And if you're not doing something atypical it's really hard for UUoC to be place where optimization will be needed. Of-course you definitely need to know what's inefficient about it (it's the extra process invocation BTW since few seem to mention it). Having that knowledge if you happen to work on those rare systems where invoking a process is expensive (e.g. some embedded systems or CygWin to a lesser degree) you will know what to do if a special situation requires it. For example if you find yourself calling cat
many times a second in a loop (BTW if you do find yourself in that position ask yourself if bash is the right tool for the job). Again though: "first make it work correctly then optimize it if necessary".
And how do you explain the tsunami of complains about UUoC Nick?
Besides not everyone having my taste I believe that a major part of why so many people complain about UUoC is not technical but human: Most Unix-newcomers will not know about the < file command
idiom so it's tempting to a more experienced person to play the "Old Guru" to them. He will also have the opportunity to use fancy words ("process invocation") and touch the dear subject of "optimization". A good impression is guaranteed so it's very hard to resist. Then the newcomers will take the advice of the Guru at face value and for a long time will replay it to others as "The Only Truth" (and down-vote this answer :-). Funny note: it's probably so easy to fix bash to avoid any inefficiencies of UUoC that one has to wonder why nobody added this feature or made < filename
cat a file after so many years. A dark soul would suggest that some graybeard bash hackers like to leave opportunities to mock us ;-)
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It's useless in the sense that using it like that doesn't accomplish anything the other, possibly more efficient options can't (i.e. producing proper results).
But cat
is way more powerful than just cat somefile
. Consult man cat
or read what I wrote in this answer. But if you absolutely positively only need the contents of a single file, you might get some performance advantage from not using cat
to get at the file contents.
Regarding readability, this depends on your personal tastes. I like cat
ing files into other commands for the same reason, especially if the performance aspects are negligible.
It also depends on what you're scripting. If it's your own shell and convenience methods for your desktop machine, nobody except you will care. If you stumble upon a case where the next tool in the chain would be better off being able to seek, and distribute this as a frequently used piece of software on some minimal Linux system on a low-performance router or similar device with real limits on processing ability, that's different. It always depends on the context.
Are the performance costs are negligible? In many cases they are: oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html
– Ole Tange
Aug 8 '14 at 18:25
add a comment |
It's useless in the sense that using it like that doesn't accomplish anything the other, possibly more efficient options can't (i.e. producing proper results).
But cat
is way more powerful than just cat somefile
. Consult man cat
or read what I wrote in this answer. But if you absolutely positively only need the contents of a single file, you might get some performance advantage from not using cat
to get at the file contents.
Regarding readability, this depends on your personal tastes. I like cat
ing files into other commands for the same reason, especially if the performance aspects are negligible.
It also depends on what you're scripting. If it's your own shell and convenience methods for your desktop machine, nobody except you will care. If you stumble upon a case where the next tool in the chain would be better off being able to seek, and distribute this as a frequently used piece of software on some minimal Linux system on a low-performance router or similar device with real limits on processing ability, that's different. It always depends on the context.
Are the performance costs are negligible? In many cases they are: oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html
– Ole Tange
Aug 8 '14 at 18:25
add a comment |
It's useless in the sense that using it like that doesn't accomplish anything the other, possibly more efficient options can't (i.e. producing proper results).
But cat
is way more powerful than just cat somefile
. Consult man cat
or read what I wrote in this answer. But if you absolutely positively only need the contents of a single file, you might get some performance advantage from not using cat
to get at the file contents.
Regarding readability, this depends on your personal tastes. I like cat
ing files into other commands for the same reason, especially if the performance aspects are negligible.
It also depends on what you're scripting. If it's your own shell and convenience methods for your desktop machine, nobody except you will care. If you stumble upon a case where the next tool in the chain would be better off being able to seek, and distribute this as a frequently used piece of software on some minimal Linux system on a low-performance router or similar device with real limits on processing ability, that's different. It always depends on the context.
It's useless in the sense that using it like that doesn't accomplish anything the other, possibly more efficient options can't (i.e. producing proper results).
But cat
is way more powerful than just cat somefile
. Consult man cat
or read what I wrote in this answer. But if you absolutely positively only need the contents of a single file, you might get some performance advantage from not using cat
to get at the file contents.
Regarding readability, this depends on your personal tastes. I like cat
ing files into other commands for the same reason, especially if the performance aspects are negligible.
It also depends on what you're scripting. If it's your own shell and convenience methods for your desktop machine, nobody except you will care. If you stumble upon a case where the next tool in the chain would be better off being able to seek, and distribute this as a frequently used piece of software on some minimal Linux system on a low-performance router or similar device with real limits on processing ability, that's different. It always depends on the context.
edited Mar 20 '17 at 10:17
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answered Aug 14 '11 at 18:20
Daniel Beck♦Daniel Beck
92.5k12232285
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Are the performance costs are negligible? In many cases they are: oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html
– Ole Tange
Aug 8 '14 at 18:25
add a comment |
Are the performance costs are negligible? In many cases they are: oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html
– Ole Tange
Aug 8 '14 at 18:25
Are the performance costs are negligible? In many cases they are: oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html
– Ole Tange
Aug 8 '14 at 18:25
Are the performance costs are negligible? In many cases they are: oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html
– Ole Tange
Aug 8 '14 at 18:25
add a comment |
In every day command line use it's not really much different. You especially aren't going to notice any speed difference since the time on CPU avoided by not using cat
, your CPU is just going to be idle. Even if you're looping through hundreds or thousands (or even hundreds of thousands) of items in all practicality it's not going to make much difference, unless you're on a very loaded system (Load Average / N CPU > 1).
The where the rubber meets the road is about forming good habits and discouraging bad ones. To drag out a moldy cliché, the devil is in the details. And it's details like this that separate the mediocre from the great.
It's like while driving a car, why make a left turn when you can just make three rights instead? Of course you can, and it works perfectly. But if you understood the power of left turns then three rights just seems silly.
It's not about saving one file handle, 17k of RAM and 0.004 seconds of CPU time. It's about the entire philosophy of using UNIX. The "power of left turns" in my illustration isn't merely redirecting input, it's the UNIX philosophy. Fully grokking this will make you excel far better than those around you, and you will garner respect from those who do understand.
If you are thinking about turning left onto a 6-lane busy highway without a traffic light, then it may behoove you to consider turning right, or taking a different route. *nix gives you the choice of several routes. It is a matter of personal preference and readability. If you want to "cat file | cmd1 | cat | cmd2 |more", go ahead. (Sometimes that is useful if cmd1 paginates - cat will eliminate it.) $CPU time << $Brain time.
– MikeP
Aug 2 '16 at 21:27
@MikeP Thecat
will not eliminate any pagination, though piping to something might eliminate paging by some applications.
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:28
add a comment |
In every day command line use it's not really much different. You especially aren't going to notice any speed difference since the time on CPU avoided by not using cat
, your CPU is just going to be idle. Even if you're looping through hundreds or thousands (or even hundreds of thousands) of items in all practicality it's not going to make much difference, unless you're on a very loaded system (Load Average / N CPU > 1).
The where the rubber meets the road is about forming good habits and discouraging bad ones. To drag out a moldy cliché, the devil is in the details. And it's details like this that separate the mediocre from the great.
It's like while driving a car, why make a left turn when you can just make three rights instead? Of course you can, and it works perfectly. But if you understood the power of left turns then three rights just seems silly.
It's not about saving one file handle, 17k of RAM and 0.004 seconds of CPU time. It's about the entire philosophy of using UNIX. The "power of left turns" in my illustration isn't merely redirecting input, it's the UNIX philosophy. Fully grokking this will make you excel far better than those around you, and you will garner respect from those who do understand.
If you are thinking about turning left onto a 6-lane busy highway without a traffic light, then it may behoove you to consider turning right, or taking a different route. *nix gives you the choice of several routes. It is a matter of personal preference and readability. If you want to "cat file | cmd1 | cat | cmd2 |more", go ahead. (Sometimes that is useful if cmd1 paginates - cat will eliminate it.) $CPU time << $Brain time.
– MikeP
Aug 2 '16 at 21:27
@MikeP Thecat
will not eliminate any pagination, though piping to something might eliminate paging by some applications.
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:28
add a comment |
In every day command line use it's not really much different. You especially aren't going to notice any speed difference since the time on CPU avoided by not using cat
, your CPU is just going to be idle. Even if you're looping through hundreds or thousands (or even hundreds of thousands) of items in all practicality it's not going to make much difference, unless you're on a very loaded system (Load Average / N CPU > 1).
The where the rubber meets the road is about forming good habits and discouraging bad ones. To drag out a moldy cliché, the devil is in the details. And it's details like this that separate the mediocre from the great.
It's like while driving a car, why make a left turn when you can just make three rights instead? Of course you can, and it works perfectly. But if you understood the power of left turns then three rights just seems silly.
It's not about saving one file handle, 17k of RAM and 0.004 seconds of CPU time. It's about the entire philosophy of using UNIX. The "power of left turns" in my illustration isn't merely redirecting input, it's the UNIX philosophy. Fully grokking this will make you excel far better than those around you, and you will garner respect from those who do understand.
In every day command line use it's not really much different. You especially aren't going to notice any speed difference since the time on CPU avoided by not using cat
, your CPU is just going to be idle. Even if you're looping through hundreds or thousands (or even hundreds of thousands) of items in all practicality it's not going to make much difference, unless you're on a very loaded system (Load Average / N CPU > 1).
The where the rubber meets the road is about forming good habits and discouraging bad ones. To drag out a moldy cliché, the devil is in the details. And it's details like this that separate the mediocre from the great.
It's like while driving a car, why make a left turn when you can just make three rights instead? Of course you can, and it works perfectly. But if you understood the power of left turns then three rights just seems silly.
It's not about saving one file handle, 17k of RAM and 0.004 seconds of CPU time. It's about the entire philosophy of using UNIX. The "power of left turns" in my illustration isn't merely redirecting input, it's the UNIX philosophy. Fully grokking this will make you excel far better than those around you, and you will garner respect from those who do understand.
answered Aug 14 '11 at 22:02
bahamatbahamat
4,81011824
4,81011824
If you are thinking about turning left onto a 6-lane busy highway without a traffic light, then it may behoove you to consider turning right, or taking a different route. *nix gives you the choice of several routes. It is a matter of personal preference and readability. If you want to "cat file | cmd1 | cat | cmd2 |more", go ahead. (Sometimes that is useful if cmd1 paginates - cat will eliminate it.) $CPU time << $Brain time.
– MikeP
Aug 2 '16 at 21:27
@MikeP Thecat
will not eliminate any pagination, though piping to something might eliminate paging by some applications.
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:28
add a comment |
If you are thinking about turning left onto a 6-lane busy highway without a traffic light, then it may behoove you to consider turning right, or taking a different route. *nix gives you the choice of several routes. It is a matter of personal preference and readability. If you want to "cat file | cmd1 | cat | cmd2 |more", go ahead. (Sometimes that is useful if cmd1 paginates - cat will eliminate it.) $CPU time << $Brain time.
– MikeP
Aug 2 '16 at 21:27
@MikeP Thecat
will not eliminate any pagination, though piping to something might eliminate paging by some applications.
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:28
If you are thinking about turning left onto a 6-lane busy highway without a traffic light, then it may behoove you to consider turning right, or taking a different route. *nix gives you the choice of several routes. It is a matter of personal preference and readability. If you want to "cat file | cmd1 | cat | cmd2 |more", go ahead. (Sometimes that is useful if cmd1 paginates - cat will eliminate it.) $CPU time << $Brain time.
– MikeP
Aug 2 '16 at 21:27
If you are thinking about turning left onto a 6-lane busy highway without a traffic light, then it may behoove you to consider turning right, or taking a different route. *nix gives you the choice of several routes. It is a matter of personal preference and readability. If you want to "cat file | cmd1 | cat | cmd2 |more", go ahead. (Sometimes that is useful if cmd1 paginates - cat will eliminate it.) $CPU time << $Brain time.
– MikeP
Aug 2 '16 at 21:27
@MikeP The
cat
will not eliminate any pagination, though piping to something might eliminate paging by some applications.– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:28
@MikeP The
cat
will not eliminate any pagination, though piping to something might eliminate paging by some applications.– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:28
add a comment |
I think the position being taken by some of those commenting on something being a UUOC is that if one really understands Unix and shell syntax, one would not use cat in that context. It's seen as like using poor grammar: I can write a sentence using poor grammar and still get my point across, but I also demonstrate my poor understanding of the language and by extension, my poor education. So saying that something is a UUOC is another way of saying someone doesn't understand what they're doing.
As far as efficiency goes, if you are executing a pipeline from the command line, it takes less time for the machine to execute cat somefile |
than it does for you to think about whether it might be more efficient to use < somefile
. It just doesn't matter.
5
For quite a while I've known that there were other ways to expresscat somefile | prog
in shell without cat, likeprog < somefile
but they always seemed to be in the wrong order to me, particularly with a chain of commands piped together. Now I see that something as elegant as< somefile prog
does the trick, thank you. I have run out of the excuses I had left to use cat.
– Alex
Jun 20 '14 at 15:45
add a comment |
I think the position being taken by some of those commenting on something being a UUOC is that if one really understands Unix and shell syntax, one would not use cat in that context. It's seen as like using poor grammar: I can write a sentence using poor grammar and still get my point across, but I also demonstrate my poor understanding of the language and by extension, my poor education. So saying that something is a UUOC is another way of saying someone doesn't understand what they're doing.
As far as efficiency goes, if you are executing a pipeline from the command line, it takes less time for the machine to execute cat somefile |
than it does for you to think about whether it might be more efficient to use < somefile
. It just doesn't matter.
5
For quite a while I've known that there were other ways to expresscat somefile | prog
in shell without cat, likeprog < somefile
but they always seemed to be in the wrong order to me, particularly with a chain of commands piped together. Now I see that something as elegant as< somefile prog
does the trick, thank you. I have run out of the excuses I had left to use cat.
– Alex
Jun 20 '14 at 15:45
add a comment |
I think the position being taken by some of those commenting on something being a UUOC is that if one really understands Unix and shell syntax, one would not use cat in that context. It's seen as like using poor grammar: I can write a sentence using poor grammar and still get my point across, but I also demonstrate my poor understanding of the language and by extension, my poor education. So saying that something is a UUOC is another way of saying someone doesn't understand what they're doing.
As far as efficiency goes, if you are executing a pipeline from the command line, it takes less time for the machine to execute cat somefile |
than it does for you to think about whether it might be more efficient to use < somefile
. It just doesn't matter.
I think the position being taken by some of those commenting on something being a UUOC is that if one really understands Unix and shell syntax, one would not use cat in that context. It's seen as like using poor grammar: I can write a sentence using poor grammar and still get my point across, but I also demonstrate my poor understanding of the language and by extension, my poor education. So saying that something is a UUOC is another way of saying someone doesn't understand what they're doing.
As far as efficiency goes, if you are executing a pipeline from the command line, it takes less time for the machine to execute cat somefile |
than it does for you to think about whether it might be more efficient to use < somefile
. It just doesn't matter.
answered Aug 14 '11 at 19:39
garyjohngaryjohn
27.1k46572
27.1k46572
5
For quite a while I've known that there were other ways to expresscat somefile | prog
in shell without cat, likeprog < somefile
but they always seemed to be in the wrong order to me, particularly with a chain of commands piped together. Now I see that something as elegant as< somefile prog
does the trick, thank you. I have run out of the excuses I had left to use cat.
– Alex
Jun 20 '14 at 15:45
add a comment |
5
For quite a while I've known that there were other ways to expresscat somefile | prog
in shell without cat, likeprog < somefile
but they always seemed to be in the wrong order to me, particularly with a chain of commands piped together. Now I see that something as elegant as< somefile prog
does the trick, thank you. I have run out of the excuses I had left to use cat.
– Alex
Jun 20 '14 at 15:45
5
5
For quite a while I've known that there were other ways to express
cat somefile | prog
in shell without cat, like prog < somefile
but they always seemed to be in the wrong order to me, particularly with a chain of commands piped together. Now I see that something as elegant as < somefile prog
does the trick, thank you. I have run out of the excuses I had left to use cat.– Alex
Jun 20 '14 at 15:45
For quite a while I've known that there were other ways to express
cat somefile | prog
in shell without cat, like prog < somefile
but they always seemed to be in the wrong order to me, particularly with a chain of commands piped together. Now I see that something as elegant as < somefile prog
does the trick, thank you. I have run out of the excuses I had left to use cat.– Alex
Jun 20 '14 at 15:45
add a comment |
I often use cat file | myprogram
in examples. Sometimes I am being accused of Useless use of cat (http://www.iki.fi/era/unix/award.html). I disagree for the following reasons:
It is easy to understand what is going on.
When reading a UNIX command you expect a command followed by
arguments followed by redirection. It is possible to put the
redirection anywhere but it is rarely seen - thus people will have a
harder time reading the example. I believe
cat foo | program1 -o option -b option | program2
is easier to read than
program1 -o option -b option < foo | program2
If you move the redirection to
the start you are confusing people who are not used to this syntax:
< foo program1 -o option -b option | program2
and examples should
be easy to understand.
It is easy to change.
If you know the program can read from cat, you can normally assume it can read the output from any program that outputs to STDOUT, and thus you can adapt it for your own needs and get predictable results.
It stresses that the program does not fail, if STDIN is not a file.
It is not safe to assume that if
program1 < foo
works thencat foo | program1
will also work. However, it is in practice safe to assume the opposite. This program works if STDIN is a file, but fails if the input is a pipe, because it uses seek:
# works
< foo perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
# fails
cat foo | perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
I have looked at the performance penalty on http://oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html The conclusion is don't use cat file |
if the complexity of the processing is similar to a simple grep and performance matters more than readability. For other situations cat file |
is fine.
add a comment |
I often use cat file | myprogram
in examples. Sometimes I am being accused of Useless use of cat (http://www.iki.fi/era/unix/award.html). I disagree for the following reasons:
It is easy to understand what is going on.
When reading a UNIX command you expect a command followed by
arguments followed by redirection. It is possible to put the
redirection anywhere but it is rarely seen - thus people will have a
harder time reading the example. I believe
cat foo | program1 -o option -b option | program2
is easier to read than
program1 -o option -b option < foo | program2
If you move the redirection to
the start you are confusing people who are not used to this syntax:
< foo program1 -o option -b option | program2
and examples should
be easy to understand.
It is easy to change.
If you know the program can read from cat, you can normally assume it can read the output from any program that outputs to STDOUT, and thus you can adapt it for your own needs and get predictable results.
It stresses that the program does not fail, if STDIN is not a file.
It is not safe to assume that if
program1 < foo
works thencat foo | program1
will also work. However, it is in practice safe to assume the opposite. This program works if STDIN is a file, but fails if the input is a pipe, because it uses seek:
# works
< foo perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
# fails
cat foo | perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
I have looked at the performance penalty on http://oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html The conclusion is don't use cat file |
if the complexity of the processing is similar to a simple grep and performance matters more than readability. For other situations cat file |
is fine.
add a comment |
I often use cat file | myprogram
in examples. Sometimes I am being accused of Useless use of cat (http://www.iki.fi/era/unix/award.html). I disagree for the following reasons:
It is easy to understand what is going on.
When reading a UNIX command you expect a command followed by
arguments followed by redirection. It is possible to put the
redirection anywhere but it is rarely seen - thus people will have a
harder time reading the example. I believe
cat foo | program1 -o option -b option | program2
is easier to read than
program1 -o option -b option < foo | program2
If you move the redirection to
the start you are confusing people who are not used to this syntax:
< foo program1 -o option -b option | program2
and examples should
be easy to understand.
It is easy to change.
If you know the program can read from cat, you can normally assume it can read the output from any program that outputs to STDOUT, and thus you can adapt it for your own needs and get predictable results.
It stresses that the program does not fail, if STDIN is not a file.
It is not safe to assume that if
program1 < foo
works thencat foo | program1
will also work. However, it is in practice safe to assume the opposite. This program works if STDIN is a file, but fails if the input is a pipe, because it uses seek:
# works
< foo perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
# fails
cat foo | perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
I have looked at the performance penalty on http://oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html The conclusion is don't use cat file |
if the complexity of the processing is similar to a simple grep and performance matters more than readability. For other situations cat file |
is fine.
I often use cat file | myprogram
in examples. Sometimes I am being accused of Useless use of cat (http://www.iki.fi/era/unix/award.html). I disagree for the following reasons:
It is easy to understand what is going on.
When reading a UNIX command you expect a command followed by
arguments followed by redirection. It is possible to put the
redirection anywhere but it is rarely seen - thus people will have a
harder time reading the example. I believe
cat foo | program1 -o option -b option | program2
is easier to read than
program1 -o option -b option < foo | program2
If you move the redirection to
the start you are confusing people who are not used to this syntax:
< foo program1 -o option -b option | program2
and examples should
be easy to understand.
It is easy to change.
If you know the program can read from cat, you can normally assume it can read the output from any program that outputs to STDOUT, and thus you can adapt it for your own needs and get predictable results.
It stresses that the program does not fail, if STDIN is not a file.
It is not safe to assume that if
program1 < foo
works thencat foo | program1
will also work. However, it is in practice safe to assume the opposite. This program works if STDIN is a file, but fails if the input is a pipe, because it uses seek:
# works
< foo perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
# fails
cat foo | perl -e 'seek(STDIN,1,1) || die;print <STDIN>'
I have looked at the performance penalty on http://oletange.blogspot.dk/2013/10/useless-use-of-cat.html The conclusion is don't use cat file |
if the complexity of the processing is similar to a simple grep and performance matters more than readability. For other situations cat file |
is fine.
edited Jan 9 at 12:45
tripleee
1,78532130
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answered Mar 11 '13 at 9:44
Ole TangeOle Tange
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I was not aware of the award until today when some rookie tried to pin the UUOC on me for one of my answers. It was a cat file.txt | grep foo | cut ... | cut ...
. I gave him a piece of my mind, and only after doing so visited the link he gave me referring to the origins of the award and the practice of doing so. Further searching led me to this question. Somewhat unfortunately despite conscious consideration none of the answers included my rationale.
I did not meant to be defensive when educating him. After all, in my younger years I would have written the command as grep foo file.txt | cut ... | cut ...
because whenever you do the frequent single grep
s you learn the placement of the file argument and it is ready knowledge that the first is the pattern and the later ones are file names.
It was a conscious choice when I answered the question with the cat
prefix partly because of a reason of "good taste" (in the words of Linus Torvalds) but chiefly for a compelling reason of function.
The latter reason is more important so I will put it out first. When I offer a pipeline as a solution I expect it to be reusable. It is quite likely that a pipeline would be added at the end of or spliced into another pipeline. In that case having a file argument to grep screws up reusability, and quite possibly do so silently without an error message if the file argument exists. I. e. grep foo xyz | grep bar xyz | wc
will give you how many lines in xyz
contain bar
while you are expecting the number of lines that contain both foo
and bar
. Having to change arguments to a command in a pipeline before using it is prone to errors. Add to it the possibility of silent failures and it becomes a particularly insidious practice.
The former reason is not unimportant either since a lot of "good taste" merely is an intuitive subconscious rationale for things like the silent failures above that you cannot think of right at the moment when some person in need of education says "but isn't that cat useless".
However, I will try to also make conscious the former "good taste" reason I mentioned. That reason has to do with the orthogonal design spirit of Unix. grep
does not cut
and ls
does not grep
. Therefore at the very least grep foo file1 file2 file3
goes against the design spirit. The orthogonal way of doing it is cat file1 file2 file3 | grep foo
. Now, grep foo file1
is merely a special case of grep foo file1 file2 file3
, and if you do not treat it the same you are at least using up brain clock cycles trying to avoid the useless cat award.
That leads us to the argument that grep foo file1 file2 file3
is concatenating, and cat
concatenates so it is proper to cat file1 file2 file3
but because cat
is not concatenating in cat file1 | grep foo
therefore we are violating the spirit of both the cat
and the almighty Unix. Well, if that were the case then Unix would need a different command to read the output of one file and spit it to stdout (not paginate it or anything just a pure spit to stdout). So you would have the situation where you say cat file1 file2
or you say dog file1
and conscientiously remember to avoid cat file1
to avoid getting the award, while also avoiding dog file1 file2
since hopefully the design of dog
would throw an error if multiple files are specified.
Hopefully at this point you sympathize with the Unix designers for not including a separate command to spit a file to stdout, while also naming cat
for concatenate rather than giving it some other name. <edit>
there is such a dog, the unfortunate <
operator. It is unfortunate its placement at the end of the pipeline preventing easy composability. There is no syntactically or aesthetically clean way to place it at the beginning. It is also unfortunate in not being general enough so you start with the dog but simply add another filename if you also want it to be processed after the previous one. (The >
on the other hand is not half as bad. It has almost perfect placement at the end. It is typically not a reusable part of a pipeline, and accordingly it is distinguished symbolically.)</edit>
The next question is why is it important to have commands that merely spit a file or the concatenation of several files to stdout, without any further processing? One reason is to avoid having every single Unix command that operates on standard input to know how to parse at least one command line file argument and use it as input if it exists. The second reason is to avoid users having to remember: (a) where the filename arguments go; and (b) avoid the silent pipeline bug as mentioned above.
That brings us to why grep
does have the extra logic. The rationale is to allow user-fluency for commands that are used frequently and on a stand-alone basis (rather than as a pipeline). It is a slight compromise of orthogonality for a significant gain in usability. Not all commands should be designed this way and commands that are not frequently used should completely avoid the extra logic of file arguments (remember extra logic leads to unnecessary fragility (the possibility of a bug)). The exception is to allow file arguments like in the case of grep
. (by the way note that ls
has a completely different reason to not just accept but pretty much require file arguments)
Finally, what could have been done better is if such exceptional commands as grep
(but not necessarily ls
) generate an error if the standard input is available. This is reasonable because the commands include logic that violates the orthogonal spirit of the almighty Unix for user convenience. For further user convenience, i. e. for preventing the suffering caused by a silent failure, such commands should not hesitate to violate their own violation by alerting the user if there is a possibility of silent failure.
As discussed on the cross-site duplicate of this answer and question,grep pattern f1 f2 f3
is not simple concatenation.grep
knows about files, and prints filenames (and optionally line numbers, and whatever else).grep . /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/*
is a nice hack for printing filename: file-contents with lots of single-line files. The classic Unix design is that most utilities work on*.txt
without needingcat
.cat
is for flattening multiple files into one stream.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 25 '18 at 16:54
@PeterCordes I didn't write so much just about grep. There are substantive issues that I have observed regarding robustness to errors / copy-paste; correctness vs performance, that you have conveniently chose to ignore in favor of some petty/peripheral concern.
– randomstring
Mar 26 '18 at 22:39
You do make some interesting and valid points, especially about the errors you can get when copy/pasting pipelines. I'd suggest replace yourgrep
example with a program likecut
that doesn't have any reason to care about multiple files, and could always just be fed from its stdin. Some utilities, liketr
, don't accept file args at all, and only work as a filter, so the choice is betweencat
and<
.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 22:56
My biggest problem with your post is that you discount input redirection.<file cmd1 | cmd2 >out
is not wonderful, I admit, but it's totally possible to get used to it. You keep going on about "the spirit of the almighty Unix" in a mocking way, which totally falls flat for me because it sounds like you either don't get or don't want to get the way the Unix designers really did think. It's fine if you don't like the Unix design, but it's not inherently dumb. I'm not sure if the design of the OS predates shell syntax, and how it all evolved, but an extracat
in 1970 was worth avoiding!
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 23:03
1
@PeterCordes In hindsight I was rather long-winded in my answer, which detracts from the most important point -- correctness first, optimization second. The extracat
helps reuse and splice pipelines, whereas without it you can get silent failures (search for "silently" in my answer).
– randomstring
Apr 8 '18 at 3:22
|
show 4 more comments
I was not aware of the award until today when some rookie tried to pin the UUOC on me for one of my answers. It was a cat file.txt | grep foo | cut ... | cut ...
. I gave him a piece of my mind, and only after doing so visited the link he gave me referring to the origins of the award and the practice of doing so. Further searching led me to this question. Somewhat unfortunately despite conscious consideration none of the answers included my rationale.
I did not meant to be defensive when educating him. After all, in my younger years I would have written the command as grep foo file.txt | cut ... | cut ...
because whenever you do the frequent single grep
s you learn the placement of the file argument and it is ready knowledge that the first is the pattern and the later ones are file names.
It was a conscious choice when I answered the question with the cat
prefix partly because of a reason of "good taste" (in the words of Linus Torvalds) but chiefly for a compelling reason of function.
The latter reason is more important so I will put it out first. When I offer a pipeline as a solution I expect it to be reusable. It is quite likely that a pipeline would be added at the end of or spliced into another pipeline. In that case having a file argument to grep screws up reusability, and quite possibly do so silently without an error message if the file argument exists. I. e. grep foo xyz | grep bar xyz | wc
will give you how many lines in xyz
contain bar
while you are expecting the number of lines that contain both foo
and bar
. Having to change arguments to a command in a pipeline before using it is prone to errors. Add to it the possibility of silent failures and it becomes a particularly insidious practice.
The former reason is not unimportant either since a lot of "good taste" merely is an intuitive subconscious rationale for things like the silent failures above that you cannot think of right at the moment when some person in need of education says "but isn't that cat useless".
However, I will try to also make conscious the former "good taste" reason I mentioned. That reason has to do with the orthogonal design spirit of Unix. grep
does not cut
and ls
does not grep
. Therefore at the very least grep foo file1 file2 file3
goes against the design spirit. The orthogonal way of doing it is cat file1 file2 file3 | grep foo
. Now, grep foo file1
is merely a special case of grep foo file1 file2 file3
, and if you do not treat it the same you are at least using up brain clock cycles trying to avoid the useless cat award.
That leads us to the argument that grep foo file1 file2 file3
is concatenating, and cat
concatenates so it is proper to cat file1 file2 file3
but because cat
is not concatenating in cat file1 | grep foo
therefore we are violating the spirit of both the cat
and the almighty Unix. Well, if that were the case then Unix would need a different command to read the output of one file and spit it to stdout (not paginate it or anything just a pure spit to stdout). So you would have the situation where you say cat file1 file2
or you say dog file1
and conscientiously remember to avoid cat file1
to avoid getting the award, while also avoiding dog file1 file2
since hopefully the design of dog
would throw an error if multiple files are specified.
Hopefully at this point you sympathize with the Unix designers for not including a separate command to spit a file to stdout, while also naming cat
for concatenate rather than giving it some other name. <edit>
there is such a dog, the unfortunate <
operator. It is unfortunate its placement at the end of the pipeline preventing easy composability. There is no syntactically or aesthetically clean way to place it at the beginning. It is also unfortunate in not being general enough so you start with the dog but simply add another filename if you also want it to be processed after the previous one. (The >
on the other hand is not half as bad. It has almost perfect placement at the end. It is typically not a reusable part of a pipeline, and accordingly it is distinguished symbolically.)</edit>
The next question is why is it important to have commands that merely spit a file or the concatenation of several files to stdout, without any further processing? One reason is to avoid having every single Unix command that operates on standard input to know how to parse at least one command line file argument and use it as input if it exists. The second reason is to avoid users having to remember: (a) where the filename arguments go; and (b) avoid the silent pipeline bug as mentioned above.
That brings us to why grep
does have the extra logic. The rationale is to allow user-fluency for commands that are used frequently and on a stand-alone basis (rather than as a pipeline). It is a slight compromise of orthogonality for a significant gain in usability. Not all commands should be designed this way and commands that are not frequently used should completely avoid the extra logic of file arguments (remember extra logic leads to unnecessary fragility (the possibility of a bug)). The exception is to allow file arguments like in the case of grep
. (by the way note that ls
has a completely different reason to not just accept but pretty much require file arguments)
Finally, what could have been done better is if such exceptional commands as grep
(but not necessarily ls
) generate an error if the standard input is available. This is reasonable because the commands include logic that violates the orthogonal spirit of the almighty Unix for user convenience. For further user convenience, i. e. for preventing the suffering caused by a silent failure, such commands should not hesitate to violate their own violation by alerting the user if there is a possibility of silent failure.
As discussed on the cross-site duplicate of this answer and question,grep pattern f1 f2 f3
is not simple concatenation.grep
knows about files, and prints filenames (and optionally line numbers, and whatever else).grep . /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/*
is a nice hack for printing filename: file-contents with lots of single-line files. The classic Unix design is that most utilities work on*.txt
without needingcat
.cat
is for flattening multiple files into one stream.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 25 '18 at 16:54
@PeterCordes I didn't write so much just about grep. There are substantive issues that I have observed regarding robustness to errors / copy-paste; correctness vs performance, that you have conveniently chose to ignore in favor of some petty/peripheral concern.
– randomstring
Mar 26 '18 at 22:39
You do make some interesting and valid points, especially about the errors you can get when copy/pasting pipelines. I'd suggest replace yourgrep
example with a program likecut
that doesn't have any reason to care about multiple files, and could always just be fed from its stdin. Some utilities, liketr
, don't accept file args at all, and only work as a filter, so the choice is betweencat
and<
.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 22:56
My biggest problem with your post is that you discount input redirection.<file cmd1 | cmd2 >out
is not wonderful, I admit, but it's totally possible to get used to it. You keep going on about "the spirit of the almighty Unix" in a mocking way, which totally falls flat for me because it sounds like you either don't get or don't want to get the way the Unix designers really did think. It's fine if you don't like the Unix design, but it's not inherently dumb. I'm not sure if the design of the OS predates shell syntax, and how it all evolved, but an extracat
in 1970 was worth avoiding!
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 23:03
1
@PeterCordes In hindsight I was rather long-winded in my answer, which detracts from the most important point -- correctness first, optimization second. The extracat
helps reuse and splice pipelines, whereas without it you can get silent failures (search for "silently" in my answer).
– randomstring
Apr 8 '18 at 3:22
|
show 4 more comments
I was not aware of the award until today when some rookie tried to pin the UUOC on me for one of my answers. It was a cat file.txt | grep foo | cut ... | cut ...
. I gave him a piece of my mind, and only after doing so visited the link he gave me referring to the origins of the award and the practice of doing so. Further searching led me to this question. Somewhat unfortunately despite conscious consideration none of the answers included my rationale.
I did not meant to be defensive when educating him. After all, in my younger years I would have written the command as grep foo file.txt | cut ... | cut ...
because whenever you do the frequent single grep
s you learn the placement of the file argument and it is ready knowledge that the first is the pattern and the later ones are file names.
It was a conscious choice when I answered the question with the cat
prefix partly because of a reason of "good taste" (in the words of Linus Torvalds) but chiefly for a compelling reason of function.
The latter reason is more important so I will put it out first. When I offer a pipeline as a solution I expect it to be reusable. It is quite likely that a pipeline would be added at the end of or spliced into another pipeline. In that case having a file argument to grep screws up reusability, and quite possibly do so silently without an error message if the file argument exists. I. e. grep foo xyz | grep bar xyz | wc
will give you how many lines in xyz
contain bar
while you are expecting the number of lines that contain both foo
and bar
. Having to change arguments to a command in a pipeline before using it is prone to errors. Add to it the possibility of silent failures and it becomes a particularly insidious practice.
The former reason is not unimportant either since a lot of "good taste" merely is an intuitive subconscious rationale for things like the silent failures above that you cannot think of right at the moment when some person in need of education says "but isn't that cat useless".
However, I will try to also make conscious the former "good taste" reason I mentioned. That reason has to do with the orthogonal design spirit of Unix. grep
does not cut
and ls
does not grep
. Therefore at the very least grep foo file1 file2 file3
goes against the design spirit. The orthogonal way of doing it is cat file1 file2 file3 | grep foo
. Now, grep foo file1
is merely a special case of grep foo file1 file2 file3
, and if you do not treat it the same you are at least using up brain clock cycles trying to avoid the useless cat award.
That leads us to the argument that grep foo file1 file2 file3
is concatenating, and cat
concatenates so it is proper to cat file1 file2 file3
but because cat
is not concatenating in cat file1 | grep foo
therefore we are violating the spirit of both the cat
and the almighty Unix. Well, if that were the case then Unix would need a different command to read the output of one file and spit it to stdout (not paginate it or anything just a pure spit to stdout). So you would have the situation where you say cat file1 file2
or you say dog file1
and conscientiously remember to avoid cat file1
to avoid getting the award, while also avoiding dog file1 file2
since hopefully the design of dog
would throw an error if multiple files are specified.
Hopefully at this point you sympathize with the Unix designers for not including a separate command to spit a file to stdout, while also naming cat
for concatenate rather than giving it some other name. <edit>
there is such a dog, the unfortunate <
operator. It is unfortunate its placement at the end of the pipeline preventing easy composability. There is no syntactically or aesthetically clean way to place it at the beginning. It is also unfortunate in not being general enough so you start with the dog but simply add another filename if you also want it to be processed after the previous one. (The >
on the other hand is not half as bad. It has almost perfect placement at the end. It is typically not a reusable part of a pipeline, and accordingly it is distinguished symbolically.)</edit>
The next question is why is it important to have commands that merely spit a file or the concatenation of several files to stdout, without any further processing? One reason is to avoid having every single Unix command that operates on standard input to know how to parse at least one command line file argument and use it as input if it exists. The second reason is to avoid users having to remember: (a) where the filename arguments go; and (b) avoid the silent pipeline bug as mentioned above.
That brings us to why grep
does have the extra logic. The rationale is to allow user-fluency for commands that are used frequently and on a stand-alone basis (rather than as a pipeline). It is a slight compromise of orthogonality for a significant gain in usability. Not all commands should be designed this way and commands that are not frequently used should completely avoid the extra logic of file arguments (remember extra logic leads to unnecessary fragility (the possibility of a bug)). The exception is to allow file arguments like in the case of grep
. (by the way note that ls
has a completely different reason to not just accept but pretty much require file arguments)
Finally, what could have been done better is if such exceptional commands as grep
(but not necessarily ls
) generate an error if the standard input is available. This is reasonable because the commands include logic that violates the orthogonal spirit of the almighty Unix for user convenience. For further user convenience, i. e. for preventing the suffering caused by a silent failure, such commands should not hesitate to violate their own violation by alerting the user if there is a possibility of silent failure.
I was not aware of the award until today when some rookie tried to pin the UUOC on me for one of my answers. It was a cat file.txt | grep foo | cut ... | cut ...
. I gave him a piece of my mind, and only after doing so visited the link he gave me referring to the origins of the award and the practice of doing so. Further searching led me to this question. Somewhat unfortunately despite conscious consideration none of the answers included my rationale.
I did not meant to be defensive when educating him. After all, in my younger years I would have written the command as grep foo file.txt | cut ... | cut ...
because whenever you do the frequent single grep
s you learn the placement of the file argument and it is ready knowledge that the first is the pattern and the later ones are file names.
It was a conscious choice when I answered the question with the cat
prefix partly because of a reason of "good taste" (in the words of Linus Torvalds) but chiefly for a compelling reason of function.
The latter reason is more important so I will put it out first. When I offer a pipeline as a solution I expect it to be reusable. It is quite likely that a pipeline would be added at the end of or spliced into another pipeline. In that case having a file argument to grep screws up reusability, and quite possibly do so silently without an error message if the file argument exists. I. e. grep foo xyz | grep bar xyz | wc
will give you how many lines in xyz
contain bar
while you are expecting the number of lines that contain both foo
and bar
. Having to change arguments to a command in a pipeline before using it is prone to errors. Add to it the possibility of silent failures and it becomes a particularly insidious practice.
The former reason is not unimportant either since a lot of "good taste" merely is an intuitive subconscious rationale for things like the silent failures above that you cannot think of right at the moment when some person in need of education says "but isn't that cat useless".
However, I will try to also make conscious the former "good taste" reason I mentioned. That reason has to do with the orthogonal design spirit of Unix. grep
does not cut
and ls
does not grep
. Therefore at the very least grep foo file1 file2 file3
goes against the design spirit. The orthogonal way of doing it is cat file1 file2 file3 | grep foo
. Now, grep foo file1
is merely a special case of grep foo file1 file2 file3
, and if you do not treat it the same you are at least using up brain clock cycles trying to avoid the useless cat award.
That leads us to the argument that grep foo file1 file2 file3
is concatenating, and cat
concatenates so it is proper to cat file1 file2 file3
but because cat
is not concatenating in cat file1 | grep foo
therefore we are violating the spirit of both the cat
and the almighty Unix. Well, if that were the case then Unix would need a different command to read the output of one file and spit it to stdout (not paginate it or anything just a pure spit to stdout). So you would have the situation where you say cat file1 file2
or you say dog file1
and conscientiously remember to avoid cat file1
to avoid getting the award, while also avoiding dog file1 file2
since hopefully the design of dog
would throw an error if multiple files are specified.
Hopefully at this point you sympathize with the Unix designers for not including a separate command to spit a file to stdout, while also naming cat
for concatenate rather than giving it some other name. <edit>
there is such a dog, the unfortunate <
operator. It is unfortunate its placement at the end of the pipeline preventing easy composability. There is no syntactically or aesthetically clean way to place it at the beginning. It is also unfortunate in not being general enough so you start with the dog but simply add another filename if you also want it to be processed after the previous one. (The >
on the other hand is not half as bad. It has almost perfect placement at the end. It is typically not a reusable part of a pipeline, and accordingly it is distinguished symbolically.)</edit>
The next question is why is it important to have commands that merely spit a file or the concatenation of several files to stdout, without any further processing? One reason is to avoid having every single Unix command that operates on standard input to know how to parse at least one command line file argument and use it as input if it exists. The second reason is to avoid users having to remember: (a) where the filename arguments go; and (b) avoid the silent pipeline bug as mentioned above.
That brings us to why grep
does have the extra logic. The rationale is to allow user-fluency for commands that are used frequently and on a stand-alone basis (rather than as a pipeline). It is a slight compromise of orthogonality for a significant gain in usability. Not all commands should be designed this way and commands that are not frequently used should completely avoid the extra logic of file arguments (remember extra logic leads to unnecessary fragility (the possibility of a bug)). The exception is to allow file arguments like in the case of grep
. (by the way note that ls
has a completely different reason to not just accept but pretty much require file arguments)
Finally, what could have been done better is if such exceptional commands as grep
(but not necessarily ls
) generate an error if the standard input is available. This is reasonable because the commands include logic that violates the orthogonal spirit of the almighty Unix for user convenience. For further user convenience, i. e. for preventing the suffering caused by a silent failure, such commands should not hesitate to violate their own violation by alerting the user if there is a possibility of silent failure.
edited May 18 '13 at 20:08
answered May 17 '13 at 23:29
randomstringrandomstring
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As discussed on the cross-site duplicate of this answer and question,grep pattern f1 f2 f3
is not simple concatenation.grep
knows about files, and prints filenames (and optionally line numbers, and whatever else).grep . /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/*
is a nice hack for printing filename: file-contents with lots of single-line files. The classic Unix design is that most utilities work on*.txt
without needingcat
.cat
is for flattening multiple files into one stream.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 25 '18 at 16:54
@PeterCordes I didn't write so much just about grep. There are substantive issues that I have observed regarding robustness to errors / copy-paste; correctness vs performance, that you have conveniently chose to ignore in favor of some petty/peripheral concern.
– randomstring
Mar 26 '18 at 22:39
You do make some interesting and valid points, especially about the errors you can get when copy/pasting pipelines. I'd suggest replace yourgrep
example with a program likecut
that doesn't have any reason to care about multiple files, and could always just be fed from its stdin. Some utilities, liketr
, don't accept file args at all, and only work as a filter, so the choice is betweencat
and<
.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 22:56
My biggest problem with your post is that you discount input redirection.<file cmd1 | cmd2 >out
is not wonderful, I admit, but it's totally possible to get used to it. You keep going on about "the spirit of the almighty Unix" in a mocking way, which totally falls flat for me because it sounds like you either don't get or don't want to get the way the Unix designers really did think. It's fine if you don't like the Unix design, but it's not inherently dumb. I'm not sure if the design of the OS predates shell syntax, and how it all evolved, but an extracat
in 1970 was worth avoiding!
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 23:03
1
@PeterCordes In hindsight I was rather long-winded in my answer, which detracts from the most important point -- correctness first, optimization second. The extracat
helps reuse and splice pipelines, whereas without it you can get silent failures (search for "silently" in my answer).
– randomstring
Apr 8 '18 at 3:22
|
show 4 more comments
As discussed on the cross-site duplicate of this answer and question,grep pattern f1 f2 f3
is not simple concatenation.grep
knows about files, and prints filenames (and optionally line numbers, and whatever else).grep . /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/*
is a nice hack for printing filename: file-contents with lots of single-line files. The classic Unix design is that most utilities work on*.txt
without needingcat
.cat
is for flattening multiple files into one stream.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 25 '18 at 16:54
@PeterCordes I didn't write so much just about grep. There are substantive issues that I have observed regarding robustness to errors / copy-paste; correctness vs performance, that you have conveniently chose to ignore in favor of some petty/peripheral concern.
– randomstring
Mar 26 '18 at 22:39
You do make some interesting and valid points, especially about the errors you can get when copy/pasting pipelines. I'd suggest replace yourgrep
example with a program likecut
that doesn't have any reason to care about multiple files, and could always just be fed from its stdin. Some utilities, liketr
, don't accept file args at all, and only work as a filter, so the choice is betweencat
and<
.
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 22:56
My biggest problem with your post is that you discount input redirection.<file cmd1 | cmd2 >out
is not wonderful, I admit, but it's totally possible to get used to it. You keep going on about "the spirit of the almighty Unix" in a mocking way, which totally falls flat for me because it sounds like you either don't get or don't want to get the way the Unix designers really did think. It's fine if you don't like the Unix design, but it's not inherently dumb. I'm not sure if the design of the OS predates shell syntax, and how it all evolved, but an extracat
in 1970 was worth avoiding!
– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 23:03
1
@PeterCordes In hindsight I was rather long-winded in my answer, which detracts from the most important point -- correctness first, optimization second. The extracat
helps reuse and splice pipelines, whereas without it you can get silent failures (search for "silently" in my answer).
– randomstring
Apr 8 '18 at 3:22
As discussed on the cross-site duplicate of this answer and question,
grep pattern f1 f2 f3
is not simple concatenation. grep
knows about files, and prints filenames (and optionally line numbers, and whatever else). grep . /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/*
is a nice hack for printing filename: file-contents with lots of single-line files. The classic Unix design is that most utilities work on *.txt
without needing cat
. cat
is for flattening multiple files into one stream.– Peter Cordes
Mar 25 '18 at 16:54
As discussed on the cross-site duplicate of this answer and question,
grep pattern f1 f2 f3
is not simple concatenation. grep
knows about files, and prints filenames (and optionally line numbers, and whatever else). grep . /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/*
is a nice hack for printing filename: file-contents with lots of single-line files. The classic Unix design is that most utilities work on *.txt
without needing cat
. cat
is for flattening multiple files into one stream.– Peter Cordes
Mar 25 '18 at 16:54
@PeterCordes I didn't write so much just about grep. There are substantive issues that I have observed regarding robustness to errors / copy-paste; correctness vs performance, that you have conveniently chose to ignore in favor of some petty/peripheral concern.
– randomstring
Mar 26 '18 at 22:39
@PeterCordes I didn't write so much just about grep. There are substantive issues that I have observed regarding robustness to errors / copy-paste; correctness vs performance, that you have conveniently chose to ignore in favor of some petty/peripheral concern.
– randomstring
Mar 26 '18 at 22:39
You do make some interesting and valid points, especially about the errors you can get when copy/pasting pipelines. I'd suggest replace your
grep
example with a program like cut
that doesn't have any reason to care about multiple files, and could always just be fed from its stdin. Some utilities, like tr
, don't accept file args at all, and only work as a filter, so the choice is between cat
and <
.– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 22:56
You do make some interesting and valid points, especially about the errors you can get when copy/pasting pipelines. I'd suggest replace your
grep
example with a program like cut
that doesn't have any reason to care about multiple files, and could always just be fed from its stdin. Some utilities, like tr
, don't accept file args at all, and only work as a filter, so the choice is between cat
and <
.– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 22:56
My biggest problem with your post is that you discount input redirection.
<file cmd1 | cmd2 >out
is not wonderful, I admit, but it's totally possible to get used to it. You keep going on about "the spirit of the almighty Unix" in a mocking way, which totally falls flat for me because it sounds like you either don't get or don't want to get the way the Unix designers really did think. It's fine if you don't like the Unix design, but it's not inherently dumb. I'm not sure if the design of the OS predates shell syntax, and how it all evolved, but an extra cat
in 1970 was worth avoiding!– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 23:03
My biggest problem with your post is that you discount input redirection.
<file cmd1 | cmd2 >out
is not wonderful, I admit, but it's totally possible to get used to it. You keep going on about "the spirit of the almighty Unix" in a mocking way, which totally falls flat for me because it sounds like you either don't get or don't want to get the way the Unix designers really did think. It's fine if you don't like the Unix design, but it's not inherently dumb. I'm not sure if the design of the OS predates shell syntax, and how it all evolved, but an extra cat
in 1970 was worth avoiding!– Peter Cordes
Mar 26 '18 at 23:03
1
1
@PeterCordes In hindsight I was rather long-winded in my answer, which detracts from the most important point -- correctness first, optimization second. The extra
cat
helps reuse and splice pipelines, whereas without it you can get silent failures (search for "silently" in my answer).– randomstring
Apr 8 '18 at 3:22
@PeterCordes In hindsight I was rather long-winded in my answer, which detracts from the most important point -- correctness first, optimization second. The extra
cat
helps reuse and splice pipelines, whereas without it you can get silent failures (search for "silently" in my answer).– randomstring
Apr 8 '18 at 3:22
|
show 4 more comments
What would be really nice is a shell that supports syntax like:
< filename cmd | cmd2 cmd2arg1... | cmd3
In the meantime, I think cat filename | realcmd1...
is acceptable, as it keeps the syntax standardised with initial commands that require the filename as an argument.
17
Bash and similar shells support< filename cmd | cmd2 ...
. Is that close enough?
– garyjohn
Aug 14 '11 at 19:18
@garyjohn: I think you should post that as an answer.
– Kevin Reid
Aug 14 '11 at 19:41
13
Obligatory old shell-hacker comment: Bourne-style shells have supported the< file command ...
since at least the mid-80s and probably as far back as the 70s when the originalsh
was written. More generally, i/o redirections are parsed left to right, and can be interspersed in any order within the command line. So,cmd <file arg arg...
would also be valid.
– Dale Hagglund
Aug 15 '11 at 2:28
2
Yeah, it's partly because of how easy it is to type that that I invented the UUOC.
– Randal Schwartz
May 2 '13 at 2:48
2
One shifted character vs. four unshifted isn't that big a difference, and I'd rather spawn an extra process, which even my phone barely notices, than pipe a file into my prompt, which gives me a headache every time I see it.
– Aaron Miller
Jun 20 '13 at 16:26
|
show 1 more comment
What would be really nice is a shell that supports syntax like:
< filename cmd | cmd2 cmd2arg1... | cmd3
In the meantime, I think cat filename | realcmd1...
is acceptable, as it keeps the syntax standardised with initial commands that require the filename as an argument.
17
Bash and similar shells support< filename cmd | cmd2 ...
. Is that close enough?
– garyjohn
Aug 14 '11 at 19:18
@garyjohn: I think you should post that as an answer.
– Kevin Reid
Aug 14 '11 at 19:41
13
Obligatory old shell-hacker comment: Bourne-style shells have supported the< file command ...
since at least the mid-80s and probably as far back as the 70s when the originalsh
was written. More generally, i/o redirections are parsed left to right, and can be interspersed in any order within the command line. So,cmd <file arg arg...
would also be valid.
– Dale Hagglund
Aug 15 '11 at 2:28
2
Yeah, it's partly because of how easy it is to type that that I invented the UUOC.
– Randal Schwartz
May 2 '13 at 2:48
2
One shifted character vs. four unshifted isn't that big a difference, and I'd rather spawn an extra process, which even my phone barely notices, than pipe a file into my prompt, which gives me a headache every time I see it.
– Aaron Miller
Jun 20 '13 at 16:26
|
show 1 more comment
What would be really nice is a shell that supports syntax like:
< filename cmd | cmd2 cmd2arg1... | cmd3
In the meantime, I think cat filename | realcmd1...
is acceptable, as it keeps the syntax standardised with initial commands that require the filename as an argument.
What would be really nice is a shell that supports syntax like:
< filename cmd | cmd2 cmd2arg1... | cmd3
In the meantime, I think cat filename | realcmd1...
is acceptable, as it keeps the syntax standardised with initial commands that require the filename as an argument.
edited Aug 14 '11 at 20:28
answered Aug 14 '11 at 19:07
user94124
17
Bash and similar shells support< filename cmd | cmd2 ...
. Is that close enough?
– garyjohn
Aug 14 '11 at 19:18
@garyjohn: I think you should post that as an answer.
– Kevin Reid
Aug 14 '11 at 19:41
13
Obligatory old shell-hacker comment: Bourne-style shells have supported the< file command ...
since at least the mid-80s and probably as far back as the 70s when the originalsh
was written. More generally, i/o redirections are parsed left to right, and can be interspersed in any order within the command line. So,cmd <file arg arg...
would also be valid.
– Dale Hagglund
Aug 15 '11 at 2:28
2
Yeah, it's partly because of how easy it is to type that that I invented the UUOC.
– Randal Schwartz
May 2 '13 at 2:48
2
One shifted character vs. four unshifted isn't that big a difference, and I'd rather spawn an extra process, which even my phone barely notices, than pipe a file into my prompt, which gives me a headache every time I see it.
– Aaron Miller
Jun 20 '13 at 16:26
|
show 1 more comment
17
Bash and similar shells support< filename cmd | cmd2 ...
. Is that close enough?
– garyjohn
Aug 14 '11 at 19:18
@garyjohn: I think you should post that as an answer.
– Kevin Reid
Aug 14 '11 at 19:41
13
Obligatory old shell-hacker comment: Bourne-style shells have supported the< file command ...
since at least the mid-80s and probably as far back as the 70s when the originalsh
was written. More generally, i/o redirections are parsed left to right, and can be interspersed in any order within the command line. So,cmd <file arg arg...
would also be valid.
– Dale Hagglund
Aug 15 '11 at 2:28
2
Yeah, it's partly because of how easy it is to type that that I invented the UUOC.
– Randal Schwartz
May 2 '13 at 2:48
2
One shifted character vs. four unshifted isn't that big a difference, and I'd rather spawn an extra process, which even my phone barely notices, than pipe a file into my prompt, which gives me a headache every time I see it.
– Aaron Miller
Jun 20 '13 at 16:26
17
17
Bash and similar shells support
< filename cmd | cmd2 ...
. Is that close enough?– garyjohn
Aug 14 '11 at 19:18
Bash and similar shells support
< filename cmd | cmd2 ...
. Is that close enough?– garyjohn
Aug 14 '11 at 19:18
@garyjohn: I think you should post that as an answer.
– Kevin Reid
Aug 14 '11 at 19:41
@garyjohn: I think you should post that as an answer.
– Kevin Reid
Aug 14 '11 at 19:41
13
13
Obligatory old shell-hacker comment: Bourne-style shells have supported the
< file command ...
since at least the mid-80s and probably as far back as the 70s when the original sh
was written. More generally, i/o redirections are parsed left to right, and can be interspersed in any order within the command line. So, cmd <file arg arg...
would also be valid.– Dale Hagglund
Aug 15 '11 at 2:28
Obligatory old shell-hacker comment: Bourne-style shells have supported the
< file command ...
since at least the mid-80s and probably as far back as the 70s when the original sh
was written. More generally, i/o redirections are parsed left to right, and can be interspersed in any order within the command line. So, cmd <file arg arg...
would also be valid.– Dale Hagglund
Aug 15 '11 at 2:28
2
2
Yeah, it's partly because of how easy it is to type that that I invented the UUOC.
– Randal Schwartz
May 2 '13 at 2:48
Yeah, it's partly because of how easy it is to type that that I invented the UUOC.
– Randal Schwartz
May 2 '13 at 2:48
2
2
One shifted character vs. four unshifted isn't that big a difference, and I'd rather spawn an extra process, which even my phone barely notices, than pipe a file into my prompt, which gives me a headache every time I see it.
– Aaron Miller
Jun 20 '13 at 16:26
One shifted character vs. four unshifted isn't that big a difference, and I'd rather spawn an extra process, which even my phone barely notices, than pipe a file into my prompt, which gives me a headache every time I see it.
– Aaron Miller
Jun 20 '13 at 16:26
|
show 1 more comment
For all who say cat is acceptable to use because it "smells" better or "is more readable" I would only say this:
To you maybe... but not to others who may read or try to understand your code.
If you will never ever try to instruct others with your examples or share your code, then by all means please use it at your own leisure.
I will also add this comment, as a long time Linux user and Admin/Engineer... (and there are many of us) it makes our eyes bleed to see this. Why? Because it uses resources on systems that we control resources tightly on. The cat command and the pipe itself use extra memory and file handles that are completely useless. You have tied up resources that my system needs free and you have gained NOTHING that can explain the usage of these resources. This is a huge no no.
Now I can sit here and debate things like code smell or readability all day with anyone, but at the end of the day it is a matter of write or wrong and any time you use resources on a system and gain nothing for it... it is wrong.
As a home user you can learn from my advice and learn better ways to do things or you can choose to be blinded by the "smell" of cats, your choice... but know that if you openly use this practice you will be called on this practice all the time and you will silently have to admit they are right and you are stubborn because it's true. :-)
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For all who say cat is acceptable to use because it "smells" better or "is more readable" I would only say this:
To you maybe... but not to others who may read or try to understand your code.
If you will never ever try to instruct others with your examples or share your code, then by all means please use it at your own leisure.
I will also add this comment, as a long time Linux user and Admin/Engineer... (and there are many of us) it makes our eyes bleed to see this. Why? Because it uses resources on systems that we control resources tightly on. The cat command and the pipe itself use extra memory and file handles that are completely useless. You have tied up resources that my system needs free and you have gained NOTHING that can explain the usage of these resources. This is a huge no no.
Now I can sit here and debate things like code smell or readability all day with anyone, but at the end of the day it is a matter of write or wrong and any time you use resources on a system and gain nothing for it... it is wrong.
As a home user you can learn from my advice and learn better ways to do things or you can choose to be blinded by the "smell" of cats, your choice... but know that if you openly use this practice you will be called on this practice all the time and you will silently have to admit they are right and you are stubborn because it's true. :-)
add a comment |
For all who say cat is acceptable to use because it "smells" better or "is more readable" I would only say this:
To you maybe... but not to others who may read or try to understand your code.
If you will never ever try to instruct others with your examples or share your code, then by all means please use it at your own leisure.
I will also add this comment, as a long time Linux user and Admin/Engineer... (and there are many of us) it makes our eyes bleed to see this. Why? Because it uses resources on systems that we control resources tightly on. The cat command and the pipe itself use extra memory and file handles that are completely useless. You have tied up resources that my system needs free and you have gained NOTHING that can explain the usage of these resources. This is a huge no no.
Now I can sit here and debate things like code smell or readability all day with anyone, but at the end of the day it is a matter of write or wrong and any time you use resources on a system and gain nothing for it... it is wrong.
As a home user you can learn from my advice and learn better ways to do things or you can choose to be blinded by the "smell" of cats, your choice... but know that if you openly use this practice you will be called on this practice all the time and you will silently have to admit they are right and you are stubborn because it's true. :-)
For all who say cat is acceptable to use because it "smells" better or "is more readable" I would only say this:
To you maybe... but not to others who may read or try to understand your code.
If you will never ever try to instruct others with your examples or share your code, then by all means please use it at your own leisure.
I will also add this comment, as a long time Linux user and Admin/Engineer... (and there are many of us) it makes our eyes bleed to see this. Why? Because it uses resources on systems that we control resources tightly on. The cat command and the pipe itself use extra memory and file handles that are completely useless. You have tied up resources that my system needs free and you have gained NOTHING that can explain the usage of these resources. This is a huge no no.
Now I can sit here and debate things like code smell or readability all day with anyone, but at the end of the day it is a matter of write or wrong and any time you use resources on a system and gain nothing for it... it is wrong.
As a home user you can learn from my advice and learn better ways to do things or you can choose to be blinded by the "smell" of cats, your choice... but know that if you openly use this practice you will be called on this practice all the time and you will silently have to admit they are right and you are stubborn because it's true. :-)
answered Feb 20 '17 at 15:48
David DreggorsDavid Dreggors
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In defense of Useless Uses of Cat
(A few paragraph to help balance the tsunami of nagging comments against this practice)
I've been using bash for too many years both as a shell and as a scripting language for small scripts (and sometimes regretfully for not so small ones). A long-long time ago I've learned about the "Useless Use of Cat" (UUoC). I'm still guilty of it at least every week but frankly I rarely feel even a tiny bit compelled to avoid it. I believe that using cat
vs < file
is more about taste than technical differences and I wrote this answer to protect people new to Linux that share my taste for cat
from thinking that there's something seriously wrong about their way (and note the few occasions where there is). Like Linus Torvalds I also believe that often taste is more important than skill. That doesn't mean that my taste is better than yours but it does mean that if something tastes bad I will not do it without gaining something worthy.
It's already obvious that like the question author I feel that using cat is very natural when working on a REPL like bash where I'm exploring a problem by incrementally constructing complex commands. Here's a very typical example: I have a text file and don't know much about it. I will type cat file
to get a taste of the contents. If the output is too much I'll hit my up arrow and depending on the circumstances I'll add | head
or | grep foo
or | what_ever
extending my previous command by appending processing steps. This way of incrementally going from a simple command to a more complex one by adding one processing step after the other feels very natural to me (I'm doing the same on ipython and I love the way pyfunctional
and similar programming tools encompass this style). So when working on the bash shell I'm confident that interrupting my flow to remove the cat
is more useless than let it be and suffer ... well no consequence at all in 99.9% of the cases.
Of course when writing scripts things might change. But even when writing scripts it's my opinion that people who mock UUoC ignore this important lessons by a great mind: "Premature optimization is the root of all evil". And if you're not doing something atypical it's really hard for UUoC to be place where optimization will be needed. Of-course you definitely need to know what's inefficient about it (it's the extra process invocation BTW since few seem to mention it). Having that knowledge if you happen to work on those rare systems where invoking a process is expensive (e.g. some embedded systems or CygWin to a lesser degree) you will know what to do if a special situation requires it. For example if you find yourself calling cat
many times a second in a loop (BTW if you do find yourself in that position ask yourself if bash is the right tool for the job). Again though: "first make it work correctly then optimize it if necessary".
And how do you explain the tsunami of complains about UUoC Nick?
Besides not everyone having my taste I believe that a major part of why so many people complain about UUoC is not technical but human: Most Unix-newcomers will not know about the < file command
idiom so it's tempting to a more experienced person to play the "Old Guru" to them. He will also have the opportunity to use fancy words ("process invocation") and touch the dear subject of "optimization". A good impression is guaranteed so it's very hard to resist. Then the newcomers will take the advice of the Guru at face value and for a long time will replay it to others as "The Only Truth" (and down-vote this answer :-). Funny note: it's probably so easy to fix bash to avoid any inefficiencies of UUoC that one has to wonder why nobody added this feature or made < filename
cat a file after so many years. A dark soul would suggest that some graybeard bash hackers like to leave opportunities to mock us ;-)
add a comment |
In defense of Useless Uses of Cat
(A few paragraph to help balance the tsunami of nagging comments against this practice)
I've been using bash for too many years both as a shell and as a scripting language for small scripts (and sometimes regretfully for not so small ones). A long-long time ago I've learned about the "Useless Use of Cat" (UUoC). I'm still guilty of it at least every week but frankly I rarely feel even a tiny bit compelled to avoid it. I believe that using cat
vs < file
is more about taste than technical differences and I wrote this answer to protect people new to Linux that share my taste for cat
from thinking that there's something seriously wrong about their way (and note the few occasions where there is). Like Linus Torvalds I also believe that often taste is more important than skill. That doesn't mean that my taste is better than yours but it does mean that if something tastes bad I will not do it without gaining something worthy.
It's already obvious that like the question author I feel that using cat is very natural when working on a REPL like bash where I'm exploring a problem by incrementally constructing complex commands. Here's a very typical example: I have a text file and don't know much about it. I will type cat file
to get a taste of the contents. If the output is too much I'll hit my up arrow and depending on the circumstances I'll add | head
or | grep foo
or | what_ever
extending my previous command by appending processing steps. This way of incrementally going from a simple command to a more complex one by adding one processing step after the other feels very natural to me (I'm doing the same on ipython and I love the way pyfunctional
and similar programming tools encompass this style). So when working on the bash shell I'm confident that interrupting my flow to remove the cat
is more useless than let it be and suffer ... well no consequence at all in 99.9% of the cases.
Of course when writing scripts things might change. But even when writing scripts it's my opinion that people who mock UUoC ignore this important lessons by a great mind: "Premature optimization is the root of all evil". And if you're not doing something atypical it's really hard for UUoC to be place where optimization will be needed. Of-course you definitely need to know what's inefficient about it (it's the extra process invocation BTW since few seem to mention it). Having that knowledge if you happen to work on those rare systems where invoking a process is expensive (e.g. some embedded systems or CygWin to a lesser degree) you will know what to do if a special situation requires it. For example if you find yourself calling cat
many times a second in a loop (BTW if you do find yourself in that position ask yourself if bash is the right tool for the job). Again though: "first make it work correctly then optimize it if necessary".
And how do you explain the tsunami of complains about UUoC Nick?
Besides not everyone having my taste I believe that a major part of why so many people complain about UUoC is not technical but human: Most Unix-newcomers will not know about the < file command
idiom so it's tempting to a more experienced person to play the "Old Guru" to them. He will also have the opportunity to use fancy words ("process invocation") and touch the dear subject of "optimization". A good impression is guaranteed so it's very hard to resist. Then the newcomers will take the advice of the Guru at face value and for a long time will replay it to others as "The Only Truth" (and down-vote this answer :-). Funny note: it's probably so easy to fix bash to avoid any inefficiencies of UUoC that one has to wonder why nobody added this feature or made < filename
cat a file after so many years. A dark soul would suggest that some graybeard bash hackers like to leave opportunities to mock us ;-)
add a comment |
In defense of Useless Uses of Cat
(A few paragraph to help balance the tsunami of nagging comments against this practice)
I've been using bash for too many years both as a shell and as a scripting language for small scripts (and sometimes regretfully for not so small ones). A long-long time ago I've learned about the "Useless Use of Cat" (UUoC). I'm still guilty of it at least every week but frankly I rarely feel even a tiny bit compelled to avoid it. I believe that using cat
vs < file
is more about taste than technical differences and I wrote this answer to protect people new to Linux that share my taste for cat
from thinking that there's something seriously wrong about their way (and note the few occasions where there is). Like Linus Torvalds I also believe that often taste is more important than skill. That doesn't mean that my taste is better than yours but it does mean that if something tastes bad I will not do it without gaining something worthy.
It's already obvious that like the question author I feel that using cat is very natural when working on a REPL like bash where I'm exploring a problem by incrementally constructing complex commands. Here's a very typical example: I have a text file and don't know much about it. I will type cat file
to get a taste of the contents. If the output is too much I'll hit my up arrow and depending on the circumstances I'll add | head
or | grep foo
or | what_ever
extending my previous command by appending processing steps. This way of incrementally going from a simple command to a more complex one by adding one processing step after the other feels very natural to me (I'm doing the same on ipython and I love the way pyfunctional
and similar programming tools encompass this style). So when working on the bash shell I'm confident that interrupting my flow to remove the cat
is more useless than let it be and suffer ... well no consequence at all in 99.9% of the cases.
Of course when writing scripts things might change. But even when writing scripts it's my opinion that people who mock UUoC ignore this important lessons by a great mind: "Premature optimization is the root of all evil". And if you're not doing something atypical it's really hard for UUoC to be place where optimization will be needed. Of-course you definitely need to know what's inefficient about it (it's the extra process invocation BTW since few seem to mention it). Having that knowledge if you happen to work on those rare systems where invoking a process is expensive (e.g. some embedded systems or CygWin to a lesser degree) you will know what to do if a special situation requires it. For example if you find yourself calling cat
many times a second in a loop (BTW if you do find yourself in that position ask yourself if bash is the right tool for the job). Again though: "first make it work correctly then optimize it if necessary".
And how do you explain the tsunami of complains about UUoC Nick?
Besides not everyone having my taste I believe that a major part of why so many people complain about UUoC is not technical but human: Most Unix-newcomers will not know about the < file command
idiom so it's tempting to a more experienced person to play the "Old Guru" to them. He will also have the opportunity to use fancy words ("process invocation") and touch the dear subject of "optimization". A good impression is guaranteed so it's very hard to resist. Then the newcomers will take the advice of the Guru at face value and for a long time will replay it to others as "The Only Truth" (and down-vote this answer :-). Funny note: it's probably so easy to fix bash to avoid any inefficiencies of UUoC that one has to wonder why nobody added this feature or made < filename
cat a file after so many years. A dark soul would suggest that some graybeard bash hackers like to leave opportunities to mock us ;-)
In defense of Useless Uses of Cat
(A few paragraph to help balance the tsunami of nagging comments against this practice)
I've been using bash for too many years both as a shell and as a scripting language for small scripts (and sometimes regretfully for not so small ones). A long-long time ago I've learned about the "Useless Use of Cat" (UUoC). I'm still guilty of it at least every week but frankly I rarely feel even a tiny bit compelled to avoid it. I believe that using cat
vs < file
is more about taste than technical differences and I wrote this answer to protect people new to Linux that share my taste for cat
from thinking that there's something seriously wrong about their way (and note the few occasions where there is). Like Linus Torvalds I also believe that often taste is more important than skill. That doesn't mean that my taste is better than yours but it does mean that if something tastes bad I will not do it without gaining something worthy.
It's already obvious that like the question author I feel that using cat is very natural when working on a REPL like bash where I'm exploring a problem by incrementally constructing complex commands. Here's a very typical example: I have a text file and don't know much about it. I will type cat file
to get a taste of the contents. If the output is too much I'll hit my up arrow and depending on the circumstances I'll add | head
or | grep foo
or | what_ever
extending my previous command by appending processing steps. This way of incrementally going from a simple command to a more complex one by adding one processing step after the other feels very natural to me (I'm doing the same on ipython and I love the way pyfunctional
and similar programming tools encompass this style). So when working on the bash shell I'm confident that interrupting my flow to remove the cat
is more useless than let it be and suffer ... well no consequence at all in 99.9% of the cases.
Of course when writing scripts things might change. But even when writing scripts it's my opinion that people who mock UUoC ignore this important lessons by a great mind: "Premature optimization is the root of all evil". And if you're not doing something atypical it's really hard for UUoC to be place where optimization will be needed. Of-course you definitely need to know what's inefficient about it (it's the extra process invocation BTW since few seem to mention it). Having that knowledge if you happen to work on those rare systems where invoking a process is expensive (e.g. some embedded systems or CygWin to a lesser degree) you will know what to do if a special situation requires it. For example if you find yourself calling cat
many times a second in a loop (BTW if you do find yourself in that position ask yourself if bash is the right tool for the job). Again though: "first make it work correctly then optimize it if necessary".
And how do you explain the tsunami of complains about UUoC Nick?
Besides not everyone having my taste I believe that a major part of why so many people complain about UUoC is not technical but human: Most Unix-newcomers will not know about the < file command
idiom so it's tempting to a more experienced person to play the "Old Guru" to them. He will also have the opportunity to use fancy words ("process invocation") and touch the dear subject of "optimization". A good impression is guaranteed so it's very hard to resist. Then the newcomers will take the advice of the Guru at face value and for a long time will replay it to others as "The Only Truth" (and down-vote this answer :-). Funny note: it's probably so easy to fix bash to avoid any inefficiencies of UUoC that one has to wonder why nobody added this feature or made < filename
cat a file after so many years. A dark soul would suggest that some graybeard bash hackers like to leave opportunities to mock us ;-)
edited Jan 10 at 17:56
answered Nov 1 '16 at 14:51
ndemoundemou
327211
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I agree, here, the call to cat may be inefficient, but it makes the command much easier to understand and edit later, and (importantly, IMO) seperates each different command to having just one job, making the whole thing much easier to deal with.
– Phoshi
Aug 14 '11 at 18:20
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The general consensus is that there is no consensus.
– jwg
Sep 3 '15 at 13:22
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This largely duplicates stackoverflow.com/questions/11710552/useless-use-of-cat (though it predates it).
– tripleee
Jan 9 at 12:26
Don't forget that
< file cmd1 args | cmd2 args ...
works too... so your argument of "left to right" is void. I often use it for clarity - the order I showed can cause people to pause, which isn't good. With higher thread counts becoming the norm, this is becoming less of an issue IMO...– Attie
Jan 10 at 14:07